Some people say empathy, tolerance, & inclusion are strictly moral values. However this misses that they are also a social contract lest we end up in the paradox of tolerance.
Kirk had none for those outside his in-group. Those outside his in-group owe him none in return.
How, exactly, does having empathy lead to toleration of unempathetic ideologies like fascism? It logically would make us even more averse to those kinds of ideas.
What a reductive and unnuanced view of the world. I sure hope you are not representative of the rest of the population or we are even more fucked than I thought.
When one group proclaims the sadness of tragedy of a great harm upon a member of an intolerant group and the intolerant group refuses or even celebrates that same sort of great harm against the other that normalizes the one sidedness of that for that society. Calls for reciprocity become decried as politicization
bullshit. You’re just intellectualizing being a creep.
iii@mander.xyz 3 days ago
You’re arguing for parochial empathy over real empathy.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 days ago
He was a force for evil in this world.
Have empathy instead for the victims of the policies he advocated.
iii@mander.xyz 3 days ago
It might be surprising, but it’s not a limited resource that needs to be spend sparcely. You do not need to make the world worse for those in an other tribe in order to make it better for your own tribe.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
People’s empathy absolutely can get exhausted.
That’s why, for example, I am pissed about the situation in Gaza but I am capable of going to work instead of spending every day sobbing on my couch.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It’s not surprising at all to see the people who spent an entire year advocating for genocide also having empathy for a dead nazi.
JaymesRS@piefed.world 3 days ago
Exactly the opposite. We should have empathy, tolerance, and inclusiveness for all, unless people choose to exclude themselves from that collective. I’m saying those who only have parochial empathy shouldn’t expect to receive empathy from others they’ve already cut themselves off from, and it’s not something those they shut out to be shamed for that they experienced the repercussions of their actions.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
He made it very clear he excluded himself from that collective.
JaymesRS@piefed.world 2 days ago
In words and actions he did so incredibly clearly.
iii@mander.xyz 3 days ago
You are describing parochial empathy, with the caveat that somehow you think it’s different when you do it.
ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
No parochial empathy is when an in-group only has empathy for the in-group and none for any out-groups.
The resolution to the paradox of tolerance does not require individuals in a group to only experience empathy for other individuals in their group.
Instead members of groups that adhere to the social contract or peace treaty of tolerance all feel empathy for each other.
Only when an individual, individuals, or a group of people break the social contract or peace treaty are they no longer protected by it. Every individual in the groups still being tolerant still feel empathy for each other across group lines.
This is so the groups that practice tolerance can defend themselves from a group that has chosen to be intolerant. Such as the Nazis killing minority groups in WWII.
EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Hoes mad
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