Comment on Ice obtains access to Israeli-made spyware that can hack phones and encrypted apps

• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I never said it was.

  My point is that killing the soldier doesn’t change the orders, they’ll just find another soldier. If one soldier isn’t willing to follow orders, they’ll find another that is.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    You were kind of making the same defense though…

    The implication was that we shouldn’t blame the soldiers because they weren’t the ones who made the decision.

    That’s not how this works.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      No, the implication is that targeting ICE agents doesn’t solve the problem. I’m not saying that ICE agents should be immune from the law, I’m saying that the root of the problem is the orders. If some ICE agents refuse to follow orders, they’ll be replaced by those who will follow them, just like a murder will replace a gun if it doesn’t function properly.

      The focus should be on the source of the problems, which is a mix of the law and the leadership. We should certainly hold ICE agents accountable for any laws they break, but targeting them w/ violence shouldn’t be the focus.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        If they fear actual consequences, then less people will be willing to join.

        They are literal extrajudicial fascist brownshirts that want my friends and neighbors dead.

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