Yeah, don’t blame the brownshirts kicking teeth in, blame the government that hires them /s
They volunteered for this, they can sleep in the pit for it in the end.
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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks agoThat’s a bit like blaming the gun instead of the shooter, no?
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Sure, I get the “just following orders” criticism, my point is that killing ICE agents wouldn’t solve anything. I imagine many of them joined long before the crackdown started and are there to arrest actually bad people (i.e. cartel members) and don’t like the direction the current admin is going. There are also plenty of people who support this nonsense too.
Regardless, attacking the people following orders doesn’t change the orders, we should be attacking the top.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I understand your point, but these people know what they’re signing up for. We shouldn’t pretend these people are in anyway innocent or not culpable for their crimes. Regardless of orders, these are people who are willingly causing pain, suffering and death to innocents.
Fuck them. Fuck their bosses. None of them get any credit or sympathy. I don’t care if they started when ice was formed, they know what their orders are and are still there, what they signed up for is entirely immaterial. Also, ice was shit from the start, so even less sympathy from me.
Regardless, attacking the people following orders doesn’t change the orders, we should be attacking the top.
Making people hesitant to throw in with the brownshirts for fear of social reprisal is a perfectly valid strategy for attacking the top. Make less people want to participate in their crimes makes it harder for them to do crimes.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Make less people want to participate in their crimes makes it harder for them to do crimes.
No, it just means the reasonable people will leave and it’ll attract the types who actually agree with it. There will always be more people to take those jobs.
The real solution is changing the leadership and laws.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
The fuck? How?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I never said it was.
My point is that killing the soldier doesn’t change the orders, they’ll just find another soldier. If one soldier isn’t willing to follow orders, they’ll find another that is.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
You were kind of making the same defense though…
The implication was that we shouldn’t blame the soldiers because they weren’t the ones who made the decision.
That’s not how this works.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
No, the implication is that targeting ICE agents doesn’t solve the problem. I’m not saying that ICE agents should be immune from the law, I’m saying that the root of the problem is the orders. If some ICE agents refuse to follow orders, they’ll be replaced by those who will follow them, just like a murder will replace a gun if it doesn’t function properly.
The focus should be on the source of the problems, which is a mix of the law and the leadership. We should certainly hold ICE agents accountable for any laws they break, but targeting them w/ violence shouldn’t be the focus.
FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 4 weeks ago
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