Comment on Ice obtains access to Israeli-made spyware that can hack phones and encrypted apps

HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Schlemmy@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They don’t need to die. They can go back to guarding parking lots.

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• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s a bit like blaming the gun instead of the shooter, no?

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  • FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, don’t blame the brownshirts kicking teeth in, blame the government that hires them /s

    They volunteered for this, they can sleep in the pit for it in the end.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sure, I get the “just following orders” criticism, my point is that killing ICE agents wouldn’t solve anything. I imagine many of them joined long before the crackdown started and are there to arrest actually bad people (i.e. cartel members) and don’t like the direction the current admin is going. There are also plenty of people who support this nonsense too.

      Regardless, attacking the people following orders doesn’t change the orders, we should be attacking the top.

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      • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I understand your point, but these people know what they’re signing up for. We shouldn’t pretend these people are in anyway innocent or not culpable for their crimes. Regardless of orders, these are people who are willingly causing pain, suffering and death to innocents.

        Fuck them. Fuck their bosses. None of them get any credit or sympathy. I don’t care if they started when ice was formed, they know what their orders are and are still there, what they signed up for is entirely immaterial. Also, ice was shit from the start, so even less sympathy from me.

        Regardless, attacking the people following orders doesn’t change the orders, we should be attacking the top.

        Making people hesitant to throw in with the brownshirts for fear of social reprisal is a perfectly valid strategy for attacking the top. Make less people want to participate in their crimes makes it harder for them to do crimes.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The fuck? How?

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I never said it was.

      My point is that killing the soldier doesn’t change the orders, they’ll just find another soldier. If one soldier isn’t willing to follow orders, they’ll find another that is.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You were kind of making the same defense though…

        The implication was that we shouldn’t blame the soldiers because they weren’t the ones who made the decision.

        That’s not how this works.

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