Comment on Hypothesis: Insufficient moderation tools lead to instance protectionism, which leads to a decline in the overall discussion quality on Lemmy

VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• jherazob@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Their recent-ish AMA doesn't show that they care about moderation much

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  • PoopingCough@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I didn’t see really any questions relating to mod tools or moderation outside of the one that was talking about the join-lemmy lists. Is that what you are referring to or do you mean the lack of mod tool discussion on that AMA?

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    • Quill7513@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A couple of beehaw admin had questions about the status of moderation tooling and the Lemmy Devs were like “not an emphasis”

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      • agent_flounder@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I kind of feel like that may be a major strategic mistake.

        It won’t be long before any given instance is overrun with alt right or other disruptive sorts if there aren’t good tools to help moderators/admins.

        One of beehaw’s admins’ feature requests is for more granular instance controls such as blocking (defederating) at the community level.

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      • VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        To be fair, I think at the time, Lemmy had major performance issues. I can see how sorting that out is a big priority as well.

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      • Dee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Why did two people downvote this? That’s exactly what happened. The devs stated they didn’t care much for mod tools at the moment and also stated they wouldn’t remove exploding heads from join-lemmy in another thread in the AMA, which is a whole other level of wtf.

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• Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just waiting on someone to create Reddit in forum form so long discussions over weeks/months/years on any type of subject can happen…

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  • Scew@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Think those are just called forums?

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    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, what I mean is instead of having separate forums for everything, a Reddit/Lemmy type platform where people can create their own community to start threads. So if I wanted I could create a tractor community with sub communities for different brands and in there would be a single discussion to discuss a specific model, but my credentials would also allow me to go on the cooking community, in the baking sub community to take part in a discussion on strawberry shortcakes that’s been going on for months…

      Reddit type “forums” just lead to the same questions/content being posted again and again and if you know a lot about a subject and just happen to miss the one time someone asks a question about it then that discussion is lost to time.

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      • Scew@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ah, I see what you mean. I feel like that adds a lot of moderation overhead though because it needs people there to stop nefarious grave-digging.

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      • Sunforged@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Kind of like if there was a Lemmy Star Trek server and it hosted a bunch of communities with different topics that are all related to Star Trek?

        The architecture is in place to do what you’re talking about. Just needs the right people to adopt the approach over time.

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    • marcos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Some things like federated identities, or even federated content would go a long way into making forums a thing again.

      I still think lemmy could use a “community type” enum where you can say what kind of discussion you want there.

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  • Erk@cdda.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I miss forums so much. A federated backend for forums would be nice. I’m so tired of having these giant communities of angry strangers if I want to talk about anything

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  • VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In theory, but I used to hate when people would get mad at threads getting brought back from the dead. If the person has a question relevant to the topic, why start a new thread?

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    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not as if that was solved by instead having people tell OP to research the answer one of the many (now dead) discussions where the same question was asked!

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    • PickTheStick@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s a culture-thing. I’m a member of two forums that are still pretty active. One views dead thread revivals as amusing, the other almost literally has a celebration in-thread when it happens as all the members with older posts in it come piling in. Heck, the second forum has a thread so active that people literally ask for, and get, recaps for the last X amount of time for it.

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    • AlDente@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Exactly, some people would complain about bringing back zombie threads, while others whine that people didn’t use the search feature to find existing threads on the topic. You can’t win either way with forum gatekeepers.

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  • nix@merv.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ironically that’s also lemmy github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB

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    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      😱

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      • nix@merv.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Oh yeah i forgot to mention it hasn’t been maintained since the huge influx of users

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