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• dude@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Over 90% of Chinese agree that “democracy is important”? Was this survey conducted in Taiwan and signed as “China” complying with “one China policy”?

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  • Ferrous@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Again, asking for any type of source or statistic over anecdotes. Your “observations” go against reputable polling and statistics of people in China.

    Was this survey conducted in Taiwan and signed as “China” complying with “one China policy”?

    No… in fact this was a Harvard study that started off with “Given how China is an authoritarian nightmare, how widespread is support for the government?”

    …harvard.edu/…/final_policy_brief_7.6.2020.pdf

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    • dude@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Well, I must have been super unlucky then as I have talked about it with like 5 different Chinese met at 5 different circumstances

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      • Ferrous@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Yes… that is not only possible, but likely when n=5…

        Please, the original claim was “Chinese people feel coerced”, which is wrong by every metric, and there is no evidence to support this claim.

        Although China is certainly not immune from severe social and economic challenges, there is little evidence to support the idea that the CCP is losing legitima- cy in the eyes of its people. In fact, our survey shows that, across a wide variety of metrics, by 2016 the Chi- nese government was more popular than at any point during the previous two decades. On average, Chinese citizens reported that the government’s provision of healthcare, welfare, and other essential public services was far better and more equitable than when the survey began in 2003. Also, in terms of corruption, the drop in satisfaction between 2009 and 2011 was complete- ly erased, and the public appeared generally support- ive of Xi Jinping’s widely-publicized anti-corruption campaign. Even on the issue of the environment, where many citizens expressed dissatisfaction, the majority of respondents expected conditions to improve over the next several years. For each of these issues, China’s poorer, non-coastal residents expressed equal (if not even greater) confidence in the actions of government than more privileged residents. As such, there was no real sign of burgeoning discontent among China’s main demographic groups, casting doubt on the idea that the country was facing a crisis of political legitimacy.

        …harvard.edu/…/final_policy_brief_7.6.2020.pdf

        Let me guess: Harvard is tankie?

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      • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Theres a lot of diverse opinions with chinese people, especially travelers.

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• humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If a country is not a divisive hellscape of anger, it must be because they are too afraid to answer surveys honestly. If fear motivated answers then “democracy is impotant” might score low if “there wasn’t a genuine feeling that people are heard in China”.

  Look at the massive gap in west between democracy is important and the 40% of people too distracted to understand that their governments don’t serve them. Think hard of what a nightmarish dystopia that is for a second, and then realize that part of that divisiveness is politicians telling you (and you repeating their propaganda as absolute) we need a path to war against China that will make it all better.

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