Well. Devil’s advocate, they are holding the streaming service responsible because they didn’t block the stream, which presumably would presumably disrupt the streamer’s actions. I don’t personally think Kick should be responsible at all.
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AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
Can somebody explain to me why, emotions aside, the French guy is not responsible for his own choices? Unless it comes to light that he was coerced into staying on the show, why are other parties being held responsible instead of himself?
I’m not looking to be controversial, I’m honestly curious if there’s some rational logic to it that I can understand, or this is all emotional.
SculptusPoe@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
Yeah, I don’t see how they’re responsible either, but I’m getting lots of emotional replies and nobody actually seems to want to admit they’re advocating censorship. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Sometimes censorship is good
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Who decides when it’s good and when it isn’t?
mrdown@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Law is law
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
Yeah, like all those laws about Israel and Palestine and such. Definitely no pesky emotions involved, no sirree
moodymellodrone@sopuli.xyz 8 hours ago
Yeah I don’t think the company should be legally responsible, since the streamers were investigated for abuse and subsequently cleared by police. Was there something the platform was legally obligated to do further? We can say it was morally wrong to allow the streaming of that type of content, yes
SculptusPoe@lemmy.world 12 minutes ago
Yeah, I wouldn’t watch it. I also don’t watch boxing or football. They probably should have shut them down if they are policing their streams at all.
mrdown@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Article 223-15-2 of the French Penal Code. This article punishes the fraudulent abuse of the ignorance or state of weakness of a minor or a person whose particular vulnerability is apparent or known due to age, sickness, disability, pregnancy, or psychological dependency
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
Whenever you do something that results in the death of another human there needs to be an investigation. From what I can tell no culpability has been found yet, but there is at least some evidence that this person was being held against their will.
However, lots of European countries treat violence like the US treats porn so this could easily be something similar to the pearl clutching that would happen here if somebody was asphyxiated during a BDSM livestream.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
The french guy is free to do as he likes in the privacy of his own home. The line in the sand is the streaming of it online. Promoting violence is not ok and Kick should have banned them long before it got to this point
dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
Other parties are being held responsible for what?
KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 10 hours ago
I’d imagine inducing stress and manipulation if anything. Pormanove and the fourth guy were and are both mentally challenged and thus more easily manipulated and coerced. Also no way you don’t see the signs coming from your “friend” after streaming together for more than a year and a half
UnfairUtan@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
It’s a difficult situation to explain, and it will be even harder to judge.
What seems to be true is that they had a hold on him. They seemed to abuse his mental weaknesses, and regularly made themselves look like benefactor for “saving him from himself” and making him earn a lot of money.
Sure he could have technically walked out any day, but when you’re under the influence of manipulative “friends”, I’m not sure it’s that easy.
Bear in mind that I’m not stating 100% proven facts.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Yeah, depending on circumstance I can definitely see a case being made for the streamers having some responsibility.
I don’t see how the platform should be responsible without opening up a can of worms involving censorship. Mastercard has proven we do not want fucking corps having that power.
UnfairUtan@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
It depends. Do you consider Twitch’s moderation to be to extreme? They definitely wouldn’t have let this slide. I’m pretty sure they used to stream on twitch and got banned there.
Kick is currently very lax when it comes to moderation (it’s their niche, their way of existing even with Twitch’s dominance), and I don’t think banning channels promoting group punching a dude would be a bad thing to censor.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
Idk, I don’t watch videos so I’m unfamiliar with it.
I don’t think so either, but experience has taught me not to give companies any more power than necessary. If it needs to be done, pass a law for it.