she didn’t need to look like that to carry that message
please don’t pretend the point was sexy first
Comment on ‘Star Trek: Enterprise’ Cast On How Series Was Last Hurrah For “Boys Club” TV Before Me Too Movement
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 day agoWhose whole character arc is about the female trauma of losing control of ones body and having it occasionally violated?..
…with a large dose of how to connect with your mother figures, even when one is being a bit of a Borg queen?
No, I didn’t forget, and it’s great that Voyager hit some gender specific trauma stuff consistently with 7 of 9.
baines@lemmy.cafe 21 hours ago
Honytawk@feddit.nl 18 hours ago
How many nip slips did 7 of 9 have?
Jeri Ryan is just a good looking actress and spandex are very scifi.
baines@lemmy.cafe 9 hours ago
you can always go lower, there’s practically no bottom, doesn’t change the fact that crazy over the top outfit was purely to sell sexy
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Does the question: “Did you somehow forget 7 of 9?” read “let’s limit the discussion to judging the women based on costumes alone” or say “Lets judge the character’s strengths based on why TV producers had them introduced”?
No, the discussion - and even the article is about how Enterprise is claiming to be “a man’s man’s version of Star Trek” a “boy’s club” and feel lucky they got in before Me Too happened.
So reiterating “Yeah, but TV producers really wanted Jeri Ryan to look sexy” doesn’t change the topic.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 15 hours ago
Not that I think going straight to the source will sway you, but…
Brannon Braga:
It was late, but I was so excited […] He [Rick Berman] really liked the idea but he had the stroke of genius, ‘Make it a Borg babe.’
Jeri Ryan:
I knew exactly what I was in for when I had my first costume fitting. Clearly my character was added to the show for sex appeal, which remains the one way to get attention very quickly. I don’t think it’s the only way to get viewers to watch strong women, but it worked.
So no, “spandex are very scifi” doesn’t hold a lot of water in this case.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Whoa TV producers have sex brained politics and just want shows with mass appeal, you don’t say?
Doesn’t change the fact Voyager still did better on this issue.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 23 hours ago
That may be how it turned out in the end, but that story arc is absolutely not why 7 of 9 was added as a character on the show.
Corgana@startrek.website 7 hours ago
Some impressive gymnastics going on with the guy you’re replying to…
What I remember people saying about Enterprise at the time was along the lines of “hadn’t they learned their lesson with Voyager?” 7 of 9’s outfit was an embarrassing thing non-trekkies would point to when characterizing Trek fans as “virgin nerds”.
Nico_198X@europe.pub 21 hours ago
you and @baines@lemmy.cafe are correct, though i consider that part of the triumph of 7. the writing and acting elevated that character way beyond the box they tried to put her in.
baines@lemmy.cafe 9 hours ago
i will agree that later she had depth
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
The question was did I forget about 7 of 9…
…the answer is no, and that Voyager came before Enterprise and wasn’t nearly as sexist. There’s just no two ways around that.
Voyage wins hands down, leaving Enterprise still being written about as a masculine “Boys Club” or frat house version of Star Trek.