Comment on ‘Star Trek: Enterprise’ Cast On How Series Was Last Hurrah For “Boys Club” TV Before Me Too Movement

• DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Whose whole character arc is about the female trauma of losing control of ones body and having it occasionally violated?..

  …with a large dose of how to connect with your mother figures, even when one is being a bit of a Borg queen?

  No, I didn’t forget, and it’s great that Voyager hit some gender specific trauma stuff consistently with 7 of 9.

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  • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That may be how it turned out in the end, but that story arc is absolutely not why 7 of 9 was added as a character on the show.

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    • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Some impressive gymnastics going on with the guy you’re replying to…

      What I remember people saying about Enterprise at the time was along the lines of “hadn’t they learned their lesson with Voyager?” 7 of 9’s outfit was an embarrassing thing non-trekkies would point to when characterizing Trek fans as “virgin nerds”.

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    • Nico_198X@europe.pub ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      you and @baines@lemmy.cafe are correct, though i consider that part of the triumph of 7. the writing and acting elevated that character way beyond the box they tried to put her in.

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      • baines@lemmy.cafe ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        i will agree that later she had depth

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    • DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The question was did I forget about 7 of 9…

      …the answer is no, and that Voyager came before Enterprise and wasn’t nearly as sexist. There’s just no two ways around that.

      Voyage wins hands down, leaving Enterprise still being written about as a masculine “Boys Club” or frat house version of Star Trek.

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  • baines@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    she didn’t need to look like that to carry that message

    please don’t pretend the point was sexy first

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    • Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      How many nip slips did 7 of 9 have?

      Jeri Ryan is just a good looking actress and spandex are very scifi.

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      • baines@lemmy.cafe ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        you can always go lower, there’s practically no bottom, doesn’t change the fact that crazy over the top outfit was purely to sell sexy

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      • ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Not that I think going straight to the source will sway you, but…

        Brannon Braga:

        It was late, but I was so excited […] He [Rick Berman] really liked the idea but he had the stroke of genius, ‘Make it a Borg babe.’

        Jeri Ryan:

        I knew exactly what I was in for when I had my first costume fitting. Clearly my character was added to the show for sex appeal, which remains the one way to get attention very quickly. I don’t think it’s the only way to get viewers to watch strong women, but it worked.

        So no, “spandex are very scifi” doesn’t hold a lot of water in this case.

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