Sounds like YouTubers should go after YouTube when this happens. Maybe a class action lawsuit for lost revenue?
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towerful@programming.dev 2 days agoYeh, absolutely.
The DMCA takedown works because music/film industry execs have previously gone after YouTube for not responding to legitimate copyright infringements.
So YouTube now favours the person claiming the strike and makes it very difficult for the defendant to exonerate themselves.
Changing how they publish will sidestep YouTube overplaying.
But YouTube has revenue split with content creators, and has an absolutely massive audience with discovery algorithms and community stuff. Moving away from that platform would be an insane move
fluxion@lemmy.world 2 days ago
towerful@programming.dev 2 days ago
There is no good answer to it.
It is ridiculous that a channel which uploads thousands of authentic original content can lose all algorithm momentum from a frivolous DMCA strike removing their video for 10 days.
It basically guarantees a video gets killed. Even if the video gets reinstated after an appeal.This particular video will massively bounce back. People are angry at Nvidia, people are angry with YouTube and with YouTubes DMCA process, and now people are angry at Bloomberg.
And Gamers Nexus isn’t gonna let this drop, and GN has earned its communities trust (and I think trust in general) that there will be flocks of people ensuring the video doesn’t die.But if this was a smaller channel releasing a massive expose like this, it would probably just drop out off the public’s radar before it gets established
SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 day ago
DMCA and mass report ads from these companies. Basically fuck with their ad pipeline.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Messy. Youtube could just refuse to serve his videos because they decide they don’t want to :/
They have more lawyers than God, I can’t help but think the contract they all have with Google favors Google to the extreme.
towerful@programming.dev 1 day ago
Yeh, exactly.
It’s a private company.
It’s a huge platform, but YouTube can choose what YouTube is.The only way any change happens is if YouTube gets raked over the coals by enough content producers (that they could collectively start their own platform) by media and potentially by governments (recognising them as some sort of critical communications or something and implementing regulations?).
Or if all the YouTube viewers decide they have had enough and go elsewhere (where, tho? Kinda goes hand-in-hand with creators starting their own platform).So the pressure needs to keep building, YouTube needs to keep doing shitty things. Eventually… Hopefully?.. Something changes: YouTube gets better, a new platform is born.
rumba@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
We need monetization in peertube, and peertube to have community tools like (or exceeding) lemmy.
I think it’s a pretty low bar, but it’s not just going to happen without massive interest
Ofiuco@piefed.ca 1 day ago
Well I didn't mean not publishing on YouTube completely because we know that's not possible at this point in time, I meant like having an archive of their own videos accesible via Torrent... Kinda like how some let's players are doing by putting their uncensored versions on Patreon (with swearing and stuff) or early access to their content, but in this case, putting the YouTube version in a torrent in case some shit like this happens so the access is not lost forever.
Like, not choosing only one way of publishing or another, just casting a wider net.
towerful@programming.dev 1 day ago
Oh, gotcha.
I’m pretty sure they have a patreon.
They ran a Kickstarter to fund the production of this specific 3h episode, and all levels of backers got a USB key with a copy of the video on it.
The issue isn’t it being deleted. It won’t disappear.
The issue is the contents potentially not reaching as many new viewers unaware of Nvidias shady behaviour and how the black market of GPUs actual works because Bloomberg (who have sponsorship from Nvidia) DMCAd the video.
Either because their articles were used as a source and the text of those articles were shown on screen (potentially reducing views those articles would have received if they were linked? Or something? No idea how you would provide a snapshot of the information as it was at the time of publishing the video, tho. Cause the article could be edited after GNs video was published, making any soft references meaningless).
Or because they used some of Bloombergs video of POTUS, which (in my understanding) cannot be copyrighted.
So to me, it seems like GNs video was frivolously DMCAd to reduce its impact on Nvidia.
The impact of that DMCA is that: as it was starting to trend it gets taken offline for ~10 days. After which, YouTube’s algorithm will be unlikely to promote it via its algorithm because it hasn’t had any new views for 10 days.
Effectively killing the video.
Gamers Nexus gets a “strike” against their channel (of which they get 3).
Bloomberg has 0 repercussions.
Unless we all kick up enough fuss to cause some repercussions, and support GN enough to get the exposé trending again.