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QuestionMark@lemmy.ml 2 days agoFloo: Do you think I’m acting in bad faith because I acknowledge a fact, and you won’t? Ah, yes. Projection. It’s amusing that you’re accusing me of what you’re doing. It’s extremely amusing that you’re accusing others of accusing you of doing what they’re doing, while in fact you’re accusing others of doing what you’re doing. Did the recursion make your brain explode? Sorry, I forgot to take your intelligence into account.
floo@retrolemmy.com 2 days ago
Is it a very convincing argument. I’m sorry you want to turn this into some sort of psychological mind game. But the fact remains that macOS is free. I’m sorry you struggled so much to accept that.
QuestionMark@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
The arguments were provided by others, I simply stated what I observed. You are right that Apple doesn’t make you pay for macOS separately, but in my opinion, it’s like saying that Apple processors are free because you don’t pay for them when you buy a Macbook. You also don’t pay for Windows separately when you buy a Windows laptop, you know, but the manufacturer is paying for Windows which is added to the overall cost of the laptop.
floo@retrolemmy.com 2 days ago
You have to pay money to buy the computer you used to run Linux. So, by your logic, Linux isn’t free either. Yes see how this argument is nonsense.
And you can speculate all you like about how Apple makes money to pay for its developers. I don’t know, they make this other thing called the iPhone that seems pretty popular. I bet that makes them a lot of money.
QuestionMark@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Linux has an entirely different story.
You can also donate to them.
But what about Android? Android is definitely not paid.
Android is based on the Linux kernel, which uses the GPL license.
If you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program’s users, under the GPL.
Therefore, Google cannot close Android’s source code, and force manufacturers to pay for it.
When you buy an Android phone, however, there are some closed-sourced components installed on them: Google Play Services, YouTube, …, which Google can profit from.
In its earnings reports, the company combines revenue from multiple sources, under the sub-heading “Google Services”. This includes income from Android, Chrome, Maps, and hardware (like Pixel and Nest smart home devices). In the first quarter of 2022, this “services” division brought in $6.8 billion in revenue for the company. … Oracle’s attorneys estimated that Android had generated a total of $31 billion in revenue and $22 billion in profit.
So Google does profit from Android. It’s free, but Google definitely generates enough to develop Android.
Apple’s situation is different from Google’s. It is the sole maker of devices that run macOS, and macOS is close-sourced. It can add a price to each macOS device sold for macOS development. It would be illogical for Apple not to do this, and use the profit brought by the sale of other devices. Therefore, there’s a high probability you’re also paying for macOS when buying a Mac device.
desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
AFAIK manufacturers don’t have to pay for Linux And if MacOS is really free you would be able to manufacture and sell devices using it but there is not a single one
MacOS is free just like Windows is free (the license is included in your purchase of the hardware)
So yeah idk what you are smoking or if you get high just by being the most pedantic person in the lemmyverse