Comment on AI experts return from China stunned: The U.S. grid is so weak, the race may already be over

• Saledovil@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s not shrinking yet, the birth rate is declining, and the world population is projected to start declining 2050.

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• bss03@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t think it is shrinking globally, yet. But, some countries (e.g. South Korea) are in dire situations due to shrinking and aging population already.

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  • khaleer@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But it’s mostly caused by social issues, imo it is nowhere near being a real problem

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    • bss03@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I agree with your premise, but I don’t think it implies your conclusion, which I disagree with.

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  • phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    in dire situations

    That’s just repeating the assumption that’s being questioned.

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  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Might be bad now but it leads to a better future. Infinite growth was always impossible, this is just the result of decades of mismanagement.

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    • bss03@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The future for S. Korea looks bleak, not better.

      I agree that infinite growth was always impossible, but in some countries birth rate is well below replacement rate (if they matched, population would be stable, not growing), and in many birth rate + immigration rate is also below replacement rate – we are failing not at growth, but “mere” stability.

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      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Idgaf about replacement rate. I don’t want the old to be replaced. I want the economy to get smaller and for the wealth to be better distributed.

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• finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Technically there should be a ratio of young to old to take care of all of the elderly, but IMO fuck’em it wasn’t the young’s choice to be born and suffer for the sake of the old.

  Lower population will make resource allocation easier and improve quality of life, and obviously is necessary to prevent further environmental damage. There will be momentary suffering for a brighter future.

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  • phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Technically there should be a ratio of young to old to take care of all of the elderly

    That’s a rule of thumb that assumes a lot of things about elderly people’s need for care, how much that’s funded by the young, productivity in how that care is provided, and a huge number of other variables.

    Lower population will make resource allocation easier and improve quality of life, and obviously is necessary to prevent further environmental damage.

    The environmental damage is more to do with bad choices about the mix of technology currently used to power the economy, and the poor ratio of GDP per unit of energy consumed. So I dispute that “obviously.”

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    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The environmental damage is more to do with bad choices about the mix of technology currently used to power the economy, and the poor ratio of GDP per unit of energy consumed.

      Your opinion runs counter to every single dataset to ever exist.

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