Wait, since when population is shrinking? And since when it’s a bad thing too?
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Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 2 days agoMaybe. Could also be that humans never invent anything that comes close to a biological brain. Either because we simply aren’t smart enough, or because civilization regresses before we get there. And there’s several trends going on currently which could cause civilization to regress. For example, climate change and declining birth rates (While we could set up an economic system that can deal with a shrinking and aging population, our current one cannot).
khaleer@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
bss03@infosec.pub 2 days ago
I don’t think it is shrinking globally, yet. But, some countries (e.g. South Korea) are in dire situations due to shrinking and aging population already.
khaleer@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
But it’s mostly caused by social issues, imo it is nowhere near being a real problem
bss03@infosec.pub 2 days ago
I agree with your premise, but I don’t think it implies your conclusion, which I disagree with.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Might be bad now but it leads to a better future. Infinite growth was always impossible, this is just the result of decades of mismanagement.
bss03@infosec.pub 2 days ago
The future for S. Korea looks bleak, not better.
I agree that infinite growth was always impossible, but in some countries birth rate is well below replacement rate (if they matched, population would be stable, not growing), and in many birth rate + immigration rate is also below replacement rate – we are failing not at growth, but “mere” stability.
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
It’s not shrinking yet, the birth rate is declining, and the world population is projected to start declining 2050.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Technically there should be a ratio of young to old to take care of all of the elderly, but IMO fuck’em it wasn’t the young’s choice to be born and suffer for the sake of the old.
Lower population will make resource allocation easier and improve quality of life, and obviously is necessary to prevent further environmental damage. There will be momentary suffering for a brighter future.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Fasciam and religion are bigger threats than ‘declining birth rate’, that one’s just billionaire propaganda. Stop repeating it.
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
So, why are declining birth rates not a problem?
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Why are they? Fewer people, fewer mouths to feed, more value on labor, more natural resources and real estate for the rest of us.
We cant grow forever. Dropping total population in the most ethical way then keeping things steady seems like the most nonviolent cool way to do this.
Tor fucks sake there’s like ten billion people we could keep everything we need going, easily, with half that.
Anf imagibe if we actually valuee people instead of treating them like disposable garbage to throw away in poverty and wars! Wouldn’t that be cool?
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Yeah, but my point was that our current economic system can’t deal with, not that we can’t deal with it in general. Migrating away from the current system would require the powerful to give up their power, which they won’t do willingly, even as the walls are closing in. (In fact, when it comes to global warming, the walls are closing in).