Whataboutism isn’t useful. Nobody is living the perfect life. Every improvement we can make towards a more sustainable way of living is good. Everyone needs to start somewhere and even if they never move to make more changes at least they made the one.
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threeduck@aussie.zone 1 month ago
All the people here chastising LLMs for resource wastage, I swear to god if you aren’t vegan…
Bunbury@feddit.nl 1 month ago
threeduck@aussie.zone 1 month ago
1 beef burger is equivalent in water consumption to 7.5million chatgpt queries.
iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 1 month ago
Do you have a citation handy for that?
thatcrow@ttrpg.network 1 month ago
If he did, would it change your views on eating meat at all?
Bunbury@feddit.nl 1 month ago
I did a quick calculation and got to around 500 queries per quarter pounder. Lot of guesstimation and rounding though.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
The CO2 calculation is also useful and interesting, but they did say “water consumption”
thatcrow@ttrpg.network 1 month ago
I disagree.
There’s so much proud ignorance in this world, it’s great to always remind the average person how they’re contributing to problems they don’t even realize.
It’s good to bring their hypocrisy to light, or else they will legitimately go through life thinking that there isn’t a problem.
Bunbury@feddit.nl 1 month ago
So when people tell you about the pointing out the positive changes they’ve made you in return like to point out that they still aren’t living up to your standards? I’m not sure that’s the way to go to motivate and inspire people to do better. But you do you I guess.
lowleekun@ani.social 1 month ago
Dude, wtf?! You can’t just go around pointing out peoples hypocrisy. Companies killing the planet is big bad.
People joining in? Dude just let us live!! It is only animals…
big /s
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Animal agriculture has significantly better utility and scaling than LLMs. So, its not hypocritical to be opposed to the latter but not the former.
threeduck@aussie.zone 1 month ago
The holocaust was well scaled too. Animal ag is responsible for 15-20% of the entire planets GHG emissions. You can live a healthier, more morally consistent life if you give up meat.
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Do you know what I mean by “scaling”? Because going by your reply, you don’t.
thatcrow@ttrpg.network 1 month ago
Not really. It shows that he used scale in the appropriate manner.
I think you’re just grasping at straws by saying what sounds nice in your head instead of engaging in a legitimate argument.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I mean, they’re both bad.
But also, “Throw that burger in the trash I’m not eating it” and “Uninstall that plugin, I’m not querying it” have about the same impact on your gross carbon emissions.
These are supply side problems in industries that receive enormous state subsides. Hell, the single biggest improvement to our agriculture policy was when China stopped importing US pork products. So, uh… once again, thank you China for saving the planet.
lowleekun@ani.social 1 month ago
Wait so the biggest improvement came when there was a massive decline in demand?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The Demand didn’t decline. The state imposed a strict high barrier to trade that prevented it from being fulfilled.
lowleekun@ani.social 1 month ago
So you did not export that much to China or was there a big “eat more pork” campaign because else where did the demand come from afterwards?
k0e3@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
What a stupid take.
stratoscaster@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What is it with vegans and comparing literally everything to veganism? I was in another thread and it was compared to genocide, rape, and climate change all in the same thread. Insanity
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
probably because the animal death industry is comparable to those things
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Death Industry sounds like it would be an awesome band name.
thatcrow@ttrpg.network 1 month ago
It’s good to bring out the hypocrisy among you people.
stratoscaster@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Le reddit moment
3abas@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s not, you’re just personally insulted. The livestock industry is responsible for about 15% of human caused greenhouse gas emissions. That’s not negligible.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
So, I can’t complain about any part of the remaining 85% if I’m not vegan? That’s so fucking stupid. Do you not complain about microplastics because you’re guilty of using devices with plastic in them to type your message?
threeduck@aussie.zone 1 month ago
Imagining complaining about someone tipping out fresh water, while eating a burger when a single kilo of beef uses between 15,000 to 200,000 liters.
Like, until you stop doing the worst thing a single consumer can do to the planet for literally nothing but greed and pleasure (eating meat instead of healthier alternatives), you have no leg to criticize.
3abas@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes, I’m a piece of shit for using a phone made by a capitalist corporation and contributes to harming the planet. I don’t deny that I live in a horrible society that forces me to be a bad human just to survive.
I also don’t call people stupid for telling me my device is bad for the environment. I still eat meat, I’m not a vegan, but I understand and completely agree that it’s terrible for the environment. By recognizing it, I can be conscious of my consumption and reduce it.
I also use LLMs conservatively, I use them where they add value and I don’t use them frivolously to generate shitty AI slop.
I’m conscious of its dangers and that drives my consumption of it.
But I don’t pick and choose. I don’t eat animal products three meals a day and bitch about someone using an LLM to edit a file instead of manually working on it for five hours.
Just be consistent is the message they were communicating, not that you shouldn’t complain about 85%.
thatcrow@ttrpg.network 1 month ago
You can, but you also open yourself up to criticism of your hypocrisy.
Right now, your cognitive dissonance is flaring up because you have to simultaneous criticize someone for contributing to a problem while contributing to it yourself.
I’m not even vegan, but I absolutely love watching meat-eaters squirm because it reinforces my notion that the average person is a complete idiot.
zbyte64@awful.systems 1 month ago
I swear to God this attitude is why people don’t like what you’re saying. I am all for weighing the two against each other but the “I am more moral than thou” is why I left the church.