Comment on Study: Social media probably can’t be fixed

phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• Korkki@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I’m on Lemmy, am I not?

  It CAN be fixed, the question if the will is there.

  While and improvement Lemmy is far from perfect. The upvote-downvote sytem of reddit alone encourages group think and self censorship. It doesn’t really help that much that we can go circlejerk in some other instance if we get hated on or banned by mods. We are still encouraged to keep in line to keep the bubble intact.

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  • Zak@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    After 20 years of living with it, I’ve decided I don’t like the downvote. The upvote is fine.

    Reddit’s founders, early on tried to encourage people to treat the downvote as moderation. It was meant to mean that a thing doesn’t belong on reddit and people shouldn’t see it. Of course that quickly became mere dislike or disagreement.

    I’d prefer an approach that requires some input about what’s wrong with a post in order to reduce its prominence; a restricted list of options as in Slashdot’s moderation would be sufficient, I think. I’m not sure whether this should necessarily require also making a report to a more powerful admin/moderator, but I lean toward making that optional in most communities.

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    • frongt@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’d prefer an approach that requires some input about what’s wrong with a post in order to reduce its prominence

      A lot of the time, I downvote troll content that should not be engaged with. Like, not technically against the rules, but definitely someone who is not posting in good faith. If I responded to the post, I’d be contributing to the problem.

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      • Zak@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I don’t mean replying, but selecting from a menu of possible reasons to downrank a post. Slashdot’s moderation system that I mentioned earlier has (or had - haven’t looked there in a while) “troll” as one of the categories.

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• sibachian@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  the problem is algorithms. during the whole bluesky promo all over lemmy while everyone was shitting on mastodon. the only thing that’s broken is algorithms, and once you throw them out social media is immediately fixed - but of course the primary argument of mastodon vs bluesky was that mastodon requires you to curate your content (like joining a sub on reddit to see it on your front page stream, before algorithms fucked that site, and the thing is people LOVED old reddit so i fail to see how this is bad and doesn’t work, but hey, all of lemmy said so, so who am i to blame) whereas bluesky being a relaunch of twitter and literally curating content for you no matter if you actually want to see it or not but for most people reactionary content is the only content they happily interact with anyway so algorithms makes a lot of sense for them because they feel they are engaging more with the site despite the pointless empty engagement they are doing instead of interacting with real users and real content on pages where you have to actively curate your content instead of being fed the lowest hanging fruit.

  / rant off

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• ksh@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Right. We fix ourselves first, we are already here and we do not attempt to control others. We make and go our own way every moment.

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• orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Most people don’t know about this experience, probably aren’t looking for this experience, or would not know how to interact with it. I know it sounds crazy, but Reddit still confuses many people. Lemmy’s a different ball of similar wax.

  They want the saccharine-coated dopamine-filled no-effort mass-produced low-effort meme cesspool that IG, TikTok, etc. all provide. They don’t know they want more until they decide they’re done with it and start to look. Until then, it’s like showing hieroglyphs to an iguana.

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