I mean, isn’t she technically right? If presented out of context, that statement seems true. At least if we consider “normal” to be some baseline value without the vaccine. It’s not explicitly stated that “normal” would be preferable.
That’s up to what one considers normal in a given situation. I think I was quite clear about how I was using the word “normal” in my comment there. If I down a sixpack of beer, then I think most would agree that my blood alcohol content would be above normal, no matter how much that is to be expected.
Now, the argument can obviously made that being vaccinated is a lot more normalized than being drunk is, but since she’s talking about the concept of vaccination as a whole, I think the current standards of normalcy are not what she’s using. By those standards it’s a lot more normal to die of polio. In the history of our species, it’s quite abnormal to be able to talk to people on the other side of the planet or to live past 60 or to get vaccinated.
I fully agree that the tweet is misinformation at best. I’ve just seen way too many of these fuckers weasel their way out on technicalities when confronted about it.
Your suggestion of a baseline unvaccinated value is worthless in this context, I think my analogy makes that clear.
If you were comparing two different vaccines for the same virus, and one had an initial massive increase in antibody levels that then fell off, and the other just showed an increase with no falloff, that would be a meaningful comparison.
Deme@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I mean, isn’t she technically right? If presented out of context, that statement seems true. At least if we consider “normal” to be some baseline value without the vaccine. It’s not explicitly stated that “normal” would be preferable.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 1 week ago
No, she’s not technically right.
If I have a white shirt and suddenly it turns blue, that’s not normal.
If I have a white shirt and I dye it blue, and then it is blue, that is 100% normal and expected.
Antibodies increasing after vaccination is how vaccines work. It would be abnormal if the antibody levels stayed the same.
Deme@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
That’s up to what one considers normal in a given situation. I think I was quite clear about how I was using the word “normal” in my comment there. If I down a sixpack of beer, then I think most would agree that my blood alcohol content would be above normal, no matter how much that is to be expected.
Now, the argument can obviously made that being vaccinated is a lot more normalized than being drunk is, but since she’s talking about the concept of vaccination as a whole, I think the current standards of normalcy are not what she’s using. By those standards it’s a lot more normal to die of polio. In the history of our species, it’s quite abnormal to be able to talk to people on the other side of the planet or to live past 60 or to get vaccinated.
I fully agree that the tweet is misinformation at best. I’ve just seen way too many of these fuckers weasel their way out on technicalities when confronted about it.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 1 week ago
Your suggestion of a baseline unvaccinated value is worthless in this context, I think my analogy makes that clear.
If you were comparing two different vaccines for the same virus, and one had an initial massive increase in antibody levels that then fell off, and the other just showed an increase with no falloff, that would be a meaningful comparison.