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• vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Show me where obesity is hereditary and not habit based?

  I can’t show it to you, it’s a hard subject requiring a lot of data. But everybody having obese relatives know that they generally eat the same things and still get obese!

  Sugar is still calories and still comes out as burned energy and processing those calories does not matter because it is still burned as energy.

  You don’t know what you are talking about.

  They may eat healthy but they eat a lot of healthy food which is still calories and they don’t exercise which is how you burn calories.

  You don’t know what you’re talking about. Yep, exercise is very good, with different effects on different people still.

  Why are you taking personal attacks at me?

  Because:

  Obesity is literally a self control issue. If you dont exercise, don’t eat as much.

  It’s a different magnitude self control issue for different people. It’s a self control issue for me - if I eat only burgers for a month, I might start getting obese (more likely just die), I just have to avoid that. It’s a self control issue for my sister - if with her steamed vegetable diet she exercises a bit less, she gains weight. These are not comparable.

  If you eat a ton, you have burn those calories or they will store up. This is the just how this works.

  You are not saying anything valuable, that’s just how this works. Health is complex.

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  • Malek061@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Health is not complex. Eat right. Work out. Everything else falls into place.

    Stop making excuses for bad habits that harm people. If you truly cared about your friends and family, you will tell them when they are unhealthy. If you encourage their behavior, you are an enabler and they will die sooner rather than later.

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You don’t seem to get what I’m saying. I’m not saying eating right and working out isn’t necessary.

      I’m saying that you not being obese and some other person being that is most likely not your achievement or their failure. It’s just genetic predisposition.

      I don’t need excuses in this setting.

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    • Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In most cases it’s actually not hereditary, for some it is however. But in most cases, it’s related to mental disease. Lack of impulse control due to ADHD or depression for example. I went through that, finally on medication for 2 months now and I finally have the headspace to lose weight. And I agree with you, that losing weight works wonders on your health. But it isn’t as easy as you make it out to be.

      Social status is also one of those things, especially in countries that are riddled with the cancer that is capitalism. Unhealthy food often is way cheaper than healthy food. Plus, poor people often work 2-3 jobs. They don’t have time to cook healthy meals.

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• davidagain@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Obesity is literally a self control issue.

  You sound like you don’t believe in ADHD “just finish what you started, have some impulse control!“, or autism “read the room, and stop getting distracted by noise and light, just ignore it”.

  It night be plausible that most people can just avoid the first cigarette or the first spliff or the first anything, but no one can avoid food, and some people’s biology, their hormonal balance, their brain chemistry, mental health, shit, just their metabolic rate can make them have a very, very different order of magnitude of problems with food.

  So it’s easy for you to have self control around food and balance your calorie intake with exercise? Great, good for you, but stop acting all morally superior for not having problems in your life.

  Get lost with that judgemental “it’s simple” shit and try to learn a bit of self control yourself over what kind of nasty judgementalism you’re spouting online without thinking about other people.

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  • Malek061@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Obesity costs america trillions of tax payer dollars in Healthcare and productivity. Obesity is burying hospitals.

    There is no way you can compare adhd or autism to Obesity. Obesity is a choice. Medical conditions are not. People choose to eat more and exercise less. I have no sympathy for people that make everyday life harder on society with no accountability.

    The fact that you think having one cheeseburger is the equivalent to Crack cocaine is telling.

    All it takes is a 30 minute walk daily and to eat a salad once a day. But apparently that’s too much for some people and now they have to harm society with medial bills, lack of productivity, special treatment, and inconvenience.

    The most unhappy, nasty people I know are obese because in there mind they are victims and its everyone else’s fault but their own. They take no ageny or accountability for their actions.

    All that weight hurts your body so much and when you can’t even leave the couch to open the door for the 24 wings and loaded fried with a gallon coke , maybe its time for self reflection.

    Go ahead. Defend people’s poor life choices that are harming themselves, their family, and their communities. Support their victim mentality and tell them there is nothing that can be done and that they and beautiful just as they are when they need another person with a stick to hold up their fat just so they can have sex.

    Obese body positivity is a death sentence and a depression enabler. Every person should always work on themselves to be better and that includes keeping your body and mind well maintained, no matter what their size is.

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    • davidagain@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Congratulations on ignoring literally everything I said and arguing with some fictitious person who is “body positive” about obesity. I mean, I’ve come across straw man arguments before, but this one takes the biscuit.

      You think your hate and contempt can fix other people, but you’re very, very, very wrong.

      Also congrats on completely, utterly and comprehensively falling the self control challenge I set you.

      Turns out your self control in some things is at absolute zero.

      Still really proud of yourself? I bet you really are, because you’re not very introspective so far today.

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      • Malek061@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Because I care and love my friends and family and I want them happy and healthy somehow im a hate monger?

        I see you have no experience in actually helping people with depression, drug, and obesity problem. Patting them on the back and telling them they are awesome while their life is out of control is the worst thing you can do. But go ahead and do what makes you feel better instead of actually helping.

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