Well, that’s a bad argument, this is all a guess on your part that is impossible to prove, you don’t know how empathy or the human brain work, so you don’t know it isn’t computable, if you can explain these things in detail, enjoy your nobel prize. Until then what you’re saying is baseless conjecture with pre-baked assumptions that the human brain is special.
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lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks agoMy dude.
I’m not arguing the deeper facets of empathy. I’m arguing that technology is entirely incapable of genuine empathy.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 weeks ago
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 weeks ago
That’s pathetic.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
What the fuck is the jump to personal attacks?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Actually, a lot of non LLM AI development, (and even LLMs, in a sense) is based very fundamentally on concepts of negative and positive reinforcement.
In such situations… pain and pleasure are essentially the scoring rubrics for a generated strategy, and fairly often, in group scenarios… something resembling mutual trust, concern for others, ‘empathy’ arises as a stable strategy, especially if agents can detect or are made aware of the pain or pleasure of other agents.
This really shouldn’t be surprising… as our own human empathy really fundamentally just is a biological sort of ‘answer’ to the same sort of ‘question.’
It is actually quite possible to base an AI more fundamentally off of a simulation of empathy, than a simulation of logic.
Unfortunately, the people in charge of throwing human money at LLM AI are all largely narcissistic sociopaths… so of course they chose to emulate themselves, not the basic human empathy that their lack.
Their wealth only exists and is maintained by their construction and refinement of elaborate systems of confusing, destroying, and misdirecting the broad empathy of normal humans.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
At the end of the day, LLM/AI/ML/etc is still just a glorified computer program. It also happens to be absolutely terrible for the environment.
Insert “fraction of our power” meme here
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Yes, they’re all computer programs, no, they’re not all as spectacularly energy, water and money intensive, as reliant on mass plagiarism as LLMs.
AI is a much, much more varied field of research than just LLMs… or, well, rather, it was, untill the entire industry decided to go all in on what 5 years ago was just one of many, many, radically different approaches, such that people now basically just think AI and LLM are the same thing.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I don’t care if it’s genuine or not. Computers can definately mimic empathy and can be programmed to do so.
When you watch a movie you’re not watching people genuinely fight/struggle/fall in love, but it mimics it well enough.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Jesus fucking christ on a bike. You people are dense.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Oh, I get it now. You are incapable of empathy or a basic level of decency and are upset because you thought people would at least rather put up with you than a computer. If computers can mimic a basic level of human respect then what chance do you have?
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
What the fuck is the jump to personal attacks?
This is the comment that started this chain, I made an equally tongue-in-cheek comment, and now I’m the one that gets piled on?
Fuck right off.