Comment on NSFW on Lemmy

• MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  don’t want to see that content as worth less than the people who do

  Why are people who want to see the content worth less than the ones who don’t? Anyone can block content. No-one is likely to find content they don’t even know is there.

  engagement more important to you than curating an appreciative audience

  Explain the difference between engagement and an appreciative audience.

  given how many new highly specific “anime moe tiddy thigh-gap colored hair” communities crop up daily

  I keep seeing this argument. What new communities? I run these! I haven’t made a new one in over a year, and I’ve only recently had to add half a dozen new entries to my list.

  even just bringing out a different tag that isn’t blocked by default (which god, we really need even if just for spoilers) is a perfectly valid request.

  Several clients offer word filtering. Asking for the feature in lemmy itself is fine, and something I fully support.

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  • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Oh boy am I not up for dealing with a point-by-point right now, so in no particular order:

    Engagement is any interaction, including viewing, from a user. An appreciative audience is one that wants to view it. Why is Thighdeology marked nsfw on reddit, yet still a hugely popular subreddit, but somehow that would be a deathknell for it to be the same on lemmy? Your list includes none of the many AI-specific anime art communities that are out there, I think you need to be a bit more proactive in your browsing. Asking people to specify every word they don’t want to be exposed to is absurd, when there’s already one single and very easy to append word - NSFW - that you are ardently rejecting on the basis that it would damage your interactions.

    Additionally people shouldn’t have to expose themselves to everything they don’t want to be exposed to before they can block it - there’s no way to know about something without interacting it, but if you don’t want sexualized (but arguably non-explicit) images of anime girls in your feed, you’d have to go through and view a bunch of them before you can block it. Surely you can see how that’s… pretty ridiculous? Potentially very demeaning?

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    • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Engagement is any interaction, including viewing, from a user.

      I don’t maximize for that. The only “engagement” I actively look for is the positive kind. You think I wouldn’t start marking things nsfw if it got a ton downvotes when I didn’t?

      Currently, the reality is the other way around. Pointlessly tagged posts receive significantly less votes, but people looking for porn don’t vote, and people browsing normally, are less likely to check a post tagged nsfw.

      Why is Thighdeology marked nsfw on reddit, yet still a hugely popular subreddit, but somehow that would be a deathknell for it to be the same on lemmy?

      Critical mass. Tons of things are a death-knell to fediverse activity simply because it is tiny. Reddit can support a shitload of duplicate communities any one of which outweighs the single equivalent fediverse community by orders of magnitude.

      Your list includes none of the many AI-specific anime art communities that are out there, I think you need to be a bit more proactive in your browsing.

      I actively refuse to engage with AI content. There are active communities besides !share_anime_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com?

      Asking people to specify every word they don’t want to be exposed to is absurd, when there’s already one single and very easy to append word - NSFW - that you are ardently rejecting on the basis that it would damage your interactions.

      Finding a common word used in content you don’t like is no harder that blocking. The feature becoming generally available would allow us to implement arbitrary tags. Why does this suggestion offend you? It’s a genuine win-win solution.

      if you don’t want sexualized (but arguably non-explicit) images of anime girls in your feed, you’d have to go through and view a bunch of them before you can block it. Surely you can see how that’s… pretty ridiculous? Potentially very demeaning?

      That’s true for any category of content. Are you saying anime girls are somehow inherently bad or damaging to users, as compared to for example sports content?

      I blocked music content from my feed this way. Should I feel demeaned for having been made to see things other people enjoy, but I don’t care for?

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      • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I actively refuse to engage with AI content.

        Okay, but then can you stop trying to use people talking about communities which include the ones you don’t want to engage with as a way to dismiss their claims as blown out of proportion? Maybe they’re just not talking about your content, or your content is being lumped in with the AI slop since there’s so much of it, and anime AI is getting so good these days you can’t tell at a casual glance.

        I don’t maximize for that.

        Critical mass.

        You literally do, though. You just said you do. Everyone does, god knows I do, but I have the courtesy to marking my NSFW as NSFW since I’m confident that people who are interested in my content can just look it up. I don’t know why you think the people interested in your content can’t do the same, especially when you curate an extremely helpful list of communities related to the topic.

        See, I don’t even care about this (beyond that I think the culture of ridiculously exploitative depictions of women in anime being defended as “not technically porn” is the root of some incredibly toxic aspects of modern culture, which is a completely separate issue I admit) it’s just bizarre how hostile people are to being asked to use the one tool we have to separate content.

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