Comment on YSK that Gerrymandering allows politicians to choose their own voters. In many countries, it's illegal. Gerrymandering is common in the United States

• geissi@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  When there is one seat, two parties, and you’re using First Past the Post voting (which is a terrible voting system that inevitably causes the two party divide), yes

  So we can agree the system is inherently bad at representation?
  Sounds more like that outcome is the “least bad” rather than “perfect”.

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  • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    First Past the Post is objectively a problem in general. However, if there are only two candidates, and thus only possible outcomes, with one possible seat, all forms of voting will be functionally identical to FPTP in result. So in this given example, “least bad” and “perfect” are synonymous.

    Now if there was a third+ party or more candidates from the two parties, and alternative forms of voting, then things do get more complicated. But the point of the example is to show, in simplist terms, how districting works in an ideal world, and how Gerrymandering can warp the end results to give either the advantage.

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    • iglou@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Except that the lack of a third candidate is partially because of the FPTP system. It’s a waste of time, money and energy to try to compete with the Dems and the Reps. In a ranked voting system, or even a two-round system like we have in France, I guarantee you you’d see more candidates, because people then wouldn’t just “vote useful”.

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      • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Except that the lack of a third candidate is partially because of the FPTP system.

        Right, that’s what I said in my previous comment. Ranked Choice is an improvement, yes. Though, I think it still is too easy to push the winning vote to the more polar candidates. If the centrist doesn’t rile up passionate supporters (cuz what centrist does), they are more likely to be dropped in the first round even though they were ranked 1 or 2 for nearly everyone. I prefer Approval voting as my ideal alternative. It does tend to push more toward center, but of the idea is true democratic representation, then that would be the natural result. But anything is better than FPTP.

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      • Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I don’t understand it well, but I like your 2 round system. What are some typical flaws with it that might not be obvious? I’m also curious what is the best thing about it, in your opinion

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