Comment on ICE agents pointed guns at a US citizen when she walked out on to her yard to ask why they were arresting her (legal immigrant) partner.

• oyo@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is based on a fundamental lie, or at best misunderstanding, of the right. They claim that the labor market is zero-sum, yet money has infinite possibility. “Anyone can become rich if they work hard enough.”

  In fact the opposite is true. A controlled money supply makes it the ultimate zero-sum game. The rich having more necessarily keeps it from others. The labor economy is free to expand, however, as new workers means new consumers.

  There is a point with housing, however that problem is fabricated by elites, with no cause related to immigrants.

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• AlexLost@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wage suppression has never come from immigration. It comes from shady business practices and a combined effort of the owner class to separate themselves from the working class. Have you not been hearing about record profits every quarter over the past two decades? Costs for everything have gone up in sync, except for the value of your labour, which has lost incredible amounts over the past 30-40 years.

  They are taking the food out of our mouths to buy another Lamborghini. Immigration is a small drop in the barrel for why that’s happening, but the people who are to blame want you to blame it on immigrants, and not them. You bought it, hook line and sinker. How’s it feel to get played?

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  • cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • AlexLost@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is not anywhere close to reality. You are already a slave, can you stop working and go enjoy life for a while? Didn’t think so. We certainly let them take our worth away though, you are right there. Workers, United, are stronger than all of “them” combined, and it is exactly why they have worked very diligently to convince people that things like “unions” are not good for you and will hurt your employment, when on fact it guarantees you a fairer slice of the pie. Still far from perfect, but we have more power together than we ever will alone.

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    • masterofn001@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So, with the mass deportations which have, according to the quota of 3000 per day, removed ~200,000 - 300,000 people, wages should be skyrocketing and the unemployment rate should be near zero.

      Phew.

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      • cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They should at least be deporting or jailing permanently the employers. That would end the issue overnight with a come-to-Jesus option

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• november@lemmy.vg ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It depresses wages tho.

  Employers refusing to pay a living wage depresses wages.

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  • cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If the labor werent cheaply and alternatively available, they would have less leverage to do that

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    • LePoisson@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s just not how the economy works.

      The people that immigrate work. They have labor value. They’re consumers too, they’re literally just people like you and me - and zooming out to macro economics that’s all we are. The human widgets in the machine.

      Trying to blame immigrants for the ills of society is a fool’s errand.

      Maybe instead of pumping up shareholder value in stocks, most of which are not owned or shared by the actual labor, there could be an increase of wages and benefits through taxation. Hell stocks could be given to the people who are making that revenue for the company and not to just like the pockets of the investor class who are literally making money by simply having it.

      I don’t think people prefer to be exploited for their labor but when the USD goes farther than your local currency and you’re already in bad enough straights it is worth the hardship for those folks.

      Also all of this is ignoring one very obvious fact. IT IS ILLEGAL TO HIRE UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANT WORKERS. Maybe … just maybe if the companies and farm owners followed the law they claim to care so much about the demand and the benefit of “illegal” immigration would cease to exist.

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      • cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Its not about blame. Its about pointing out that all this value they produce is basically absorbed only by the businesses that illegally or unethically employ them and the government that collects increased revenues with fewer obligations that they would be required from regular citizens and also a reduced incentive to solve actual domestic problems rather than let those pumped up government and business revenues/profits to make them look good rather than attenuate that with the actual real cost to citizens who bear the brunt of all of it.

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    • masterofn001@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why all the layoffs then?

      Why can’t you afford eggs?

      Why is healthcare the number 1 cause of bankruptcy?

      Why are your wages stagnant?

      Why have billionaires seen a 2 TRILLION $ increase?

      Immigrants, of course!

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      • cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        why isnt there ever punishment for the businesses hiring illegal migrants and why are random low skill employers like restaurants allowed to get away with legally hiring foreign labor when there are people able and willing to fill those vacancies?

        How is there NOT an incentive for employers to game the system by publishint job listings for random positions with inflated requirements and undervalued compensation so nobody who could otherwise do the job at the price listed and be hired domestically wouldnt or couldnt apply and they simply wail that nobody wants to work

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