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So I’m wondering maybe far right individuals are just better at spreading their message than far left people. If I remember correctly wasn’t Green Peace a pretty terrible group back in the 80s(?), think they bombed places right? I think they reformed from that and are ok now but I never hear from them anymore. You might consider PETA a far left group too

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PeleSpirit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Both Green Peace and Peta are Climate and and animal activists, they’re not a political organization like say, the Republicans. The Republican former president tried to take over our country by force, they are not equal. Are we going through the list of ways to deflect?

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- goetzit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This guy is clearly not deflecting he is genuinely questioning things he’s not sure on. He’s actively saying he’s not very informed and maybe he is wrong but he’s not sure.
  
  Your points are correct but your comments come off like you are being attacked. Just relax man. Its not deflection, he’s asking questions about things he has heard and is unsure on. He is right, republicans are better at messaging and thats why he has heard this shit before.
  
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  - PeleSpirit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I’ve been in your shoes before and I appreciate you sticking up for them. I am personally not being attacked, you are. You just fell for the good ones, I’m super sad to see them here on Lemmy, I thought we had more time.
    
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    goetzit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Everyone with a dissenting viewpoint from your own is not some secret right-wing troll smuggling in the “wrong” viewpoints. You are not helping anyone with this mindset.
    
    I live in a pretty red area. I talk to a lot of people who have a lot of these right wing beliefs. Im not going to pretend these aren’t dogshit takes, they fucking suck. But like this guy is trying to tell you, these views and talking points are very prevalent. We can’t treat these people like right-wing sleeper cell trolls that just want to attack us, they are people who have been misled.
    
    I’ll give you an example. I was talking to someone who was a little upset we were sending billions of dollars in aid to Ukraine. Is this a shit take? Yeah it is, but he didn’t have it because hes some russian fascist who wants to see putin recreate the USSR, he’s just living in the COL crisis like everyone else. When I pointed out it was a shit move to let ukraine burn and made him think about it, he changed his mind. Theres other shit we spend way more money on, like our military, and we should defend a country that is being annexed by another world power.
    
    He’s not a bad dude. He just hadn’t stopped to think about it. If i had just attacked him for it he would have just doubled down, because im being an asshole, and why would he adopt the assholes position? Thats how most people are. It sucks but it takes a lot of energy to really sift through all the bullshit, and surviving in todays world is stressful enough as it is for people. Its hard to look at the bigger picture when your smaller, immediate one is so turbulent.
    
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- qooqie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Not deflecting genuinely trying to think of far left groups. I understand far right groups are WAY more common and FAR more dangerous. I also wouldn’t consider climate or animal activists exactly a non political thing when they are activists for change of political policies and the sentiments are generally associated with the left
  
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  - PeleSpirit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    But they’re not an official “left” organization, they’re people who are extremists about their activism that happens to be climate and animals that the left cares about. On the opposite side of that on the right would be people who murder POC or don’t save them in schools because they’re loosely adjacent to republicans being racist.
    
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- sab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I’m not sure where the goal posts are now. I thought this started out with deplatforming people who spread misinformation, but now you’re considering half a countries political spectrum?
  
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LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I don’t think either peta or Greenpeace have ever engaged in bombings or similar violence. They are both groups that engage in non-violent direct action.

Yes, the right has a more powerful propaganda network because the ultra-rich overwhelmingly support their ideology and donate huge amounts of money to amplify their messages. Unfortunately, it seems you, like most in the West, have fallen prey to it.

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