Comment on Tesla loses Autopilot wrongful death case in $329 million verdict

Showroom7561@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• bier@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It is assistive technology, but that is not how tesla has been marketing it. They even sell a product called full self driving, while it’s not that at all.

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• freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I dig blaming the people who wind up believing deceptive marketing practices, instead of blaming the people doing the deceiving.

  Look up the dictionary definition of autopilot: a mechanical, electrical or hydraulic system used to guide a vehicle without assistance from a human being. FULL SELF DRIVING, yeah, why would that lead people to believe the car was, you know, fully self-driving?

  Combine that with year after year of Elon Musk constantly stating in public that the car either already drives itself, or will be capable of doing so just around the corner, by the end of next year, over and over and over and

  Elon lied constantly to keep the stock price up, and people have died for believing those lies, and you

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• some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah, but I think Elon shares the blame for making outrageous claims for years suggesting otherwise. He’s a liar and needs to be held accountable.

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  • Showroom7561@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Absolutely. I hope he and the company burn in hell, but I do not want to start giving drivers who kill people a free pass to say “well, it was the car’s fault!”

    “Autopilot”, especially in Tesla cars, is beta software at best, and this feature should never have been allowed to be used on public roads. In that sense, the transportation ministry that’s allowed it also has blood on their hands.

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    • Keelhaul@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Woo, both parties are terrible, irresponsible, and should be held accountable

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What claims did he make about autopilot that suggested otherwise?

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    • RightEdofer@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What claims?

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    • NotSafeForWorld@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      electrek.co/…/elon-musk-tesla-autopilot-save-life…

      electrek.co/…/tesla-autopilot-never-perfect-10x-s…

      …wikipedia.org/…/List_of_predictions_for_autonomo…

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      • diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks for the sources

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      • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks for responding to this with links so that I didn’t have to.

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  • Peculiaris@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    +1

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• febra@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well, if only Tesla hadn’t invested tens of millions into marketing campaigns trying to paint autopilot as a fully self driving, autonomous system. Everyone knows that 9 out of 10 consumers don’t read the fine print, ever. They buy, and use shit off of vibes. False marketing can and does kill.

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  • Showroom7561@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I will repeat, regardless of what the (erroneous) claims are by Tesla, a driver is still responsible.

    This is like those automated bill payment systems. Sure, they are automated, and the company promotes it as “easy” and “convenient”, but you’re still responsible if those bills don’t get paid for whatever reason.

    From another report:

    While driving, McGee dropped his mobile phone that he was using and scrambled to pick it up. He said during the trial that he believed Enhanced Autopilot would brake if an obstacle was in the way. His Model S accelerated through an intersection at just over 60 miles per hour, hitting a nearby empty parked car and its owners, who were standing on the other side of their vehicle.

    Isn’t using a phone while being the driver of a vehicle illegal? And what the hell is was up with highway speeds near an intersection??? This dude can blame autopilot, but goddamn, he was completely negligent. It’s like there were two idiots driving the same vehicle that day.

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    • febra@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, of course the driver is at fault for being an idiot. And sadly, a shitton of drivers are idiots. Ignoring this fact is practically ignoring reality. You shouldn’t be allowed to do false marketing as a company exactly because idiots will fall for it.

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• tylerkdurdan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  i dont disagree; but i believe the suit was over how tesla misrepresented assistive technology as fully autonomous as the name autopilot implies

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  • Showroom7561@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes, false advertising for sure. But the responsibility for safe driving, is on the driver, even if the driver’s role is engaging autopilot.

    I can only imagine the same applies in other circumstances where autopilot is an option: planes, boats, drones, etc.

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    • limelight79@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Here’s my problem with all of the automation the manufacturers are adding to cars. Not even Autopilot level stuff is potentially a problem - things like adaptive cruise come to mind.

      If there’s some kind of bug in that adaptive cruise that puts my car into the bumper of the car in front of me before I can stop it, the very first thing the manufacturer is going to say is:

      But the responsibility for safe driving, is on the driver…

      And how do we know there isn’t some stupid bug? Our car has plenty of other software bugs in the infotainment system; hopefully they were a little more careful with the safety-critical systems…ha ha, I know. Even the bugs in the infotainment are distracting. But what would the manufacturer say if there was a crash resulting from my moment of distraction, caused by the 18th fucking weather alert in 10 minutes for a county 100 miles away, a feature that I can’t fucking disable?

      But the responsibility for safe driving, is on the driver…

      In other words, “We bear no responsibility!” So, I have to pay for these “features” and the manufacturer will deny any responsibility if one of them fails and causes a crash. It’s always your fault as the driver, no matter what. The company rolls this shit out to us; we have no choice to buy a new car without it any more, and they don’t even trust it enough to stand behind it.

      Maybe you’ll get lucky and enough issues will happen that gov’t regulators will look into it (not in the US any more, of course)…but probably not. You’ll be blamed, and you’ll pay higher insurance, and that will be that.

      So now I have to worry not only about other drivers and my own driving, but I also have to be alert that the car will do something unexpected as well. Which has happened, when all this “smart” technology has misunderstood a situation, like slamming on the brakes for a car in another lane. I’ve found I hate having to fight my own car.

      Obviously, I very much dislike driving our newer car. It’s primarily my wife’s car, and I only drive it once or twice a week, fortunately.

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    • tylerkdurdan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      agree with you here. your point reminds me of this case below. The tldr is pilots were using their laptop to look at scheduled iirc and overflew their destination. its long been speculated they were watching a movie

      …m.wikipedia.org/…/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_188

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