I have long contended that the computer industry is course-correcting with Android/iOS/mobile. They realized their prior “mistake” of letting people actually own, control, and modify their devices. Apple and iPhone is the worst in this regard.
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madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The whole smart phone thing is such a lesson in letting go of the rope.
Once you let corporations get away with a little, they will eventually take everything.
Every time we lost a bit of control me and a few of enthusiasts were screaming, but the regular populace just shrugged…
Even on reddit you’d have to argue with idiots “oh just use Bluetooth headphones! Oh who needs sd cards, just use the cloud! Oh who needs rooting, it’s not needed”
I swear to god if Windows / OS were invented today 80 of people would just shrug as all control of their PC was taken away.
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
k0e3@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I agree with essentially everything you’re saying but can’t wrap my head around the last sentence. Would you mind elaborating so I can add more fuel to my rage?
RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think they mean that if the standard OS was Linux instead of Windows, and therefore everybody had full control of their computers, that if windows was suddenly released and installed on all pc’s instead of Linux, people would still shrug and be fine with it.
hagelslager@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
The Linux forums would probably be even more insufferable for a while, considering an influx of newbies to what’s basically a power user sphere.
socialsecurity@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Not an arch user clearly
foggenbooty@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
He means that windows is built on a fairly open system that allows too to install and manage your own drivers, updates, etc. Over the last several years MS has been trying to lock this down and be more like a managed service/phone, not a computer you own.
If the PC were to be invented today, he’s saying it would be like a phone with limited freedom and most people wouldn’t care. He’s right and that’s sad. We take for granted what we have with older versions of Windows and Linux. It is being pulled away from us and that’s why I’m trying to move off of Windows instead of go to 11.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
I feel like an open system starts with the hardware. It doesn’t help that we have open software if we don’t control the hardware that it is running on. Maybe that’s a thought of relevance for the future.
PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
I’d argue that especially on Reddit, you’re always up against brigades, claques and other coordinated actors pushing corporate or state narratives on the naive parts of the populace. In hindsight, it’s really awfully obvious.
madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You’re absolutely right. It’s also incredibly susceptible to snowballing. The early votes matter the most on who’s opinion wins out, and those are super easy to rig.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
80 of people would just shrug as all control of their PC was taken away
Isn’t that actually the case? I know of these issues. And around me, I talk about them (without being pushy I hope). At work, the privacy issues with windows are seen as glaring warnings. But beyond that… I’m pretty sure the vase majority of people don’t care. Some are probably even enthusiast to have a “new update”, having no idea what it means.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Also, for any of said idiots who may be reading this. If you see someone bitching about functionality being removed that you yourself don’t need, the correct response is to just not respond. You don’t have to gargle corporations balls. Removing things isn’t making your phones cheaper/better. There’s no reason to defend it.
madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yea that’s what pissed me off the top of most. Google / Apple fanbois gargeling corporate balls
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Some of those things have some minor benefit to some users. There are plenty of people who like the reduced thickness that removing some of those features provides.
The issue is that corporations like money, and the big money guy (apple) removed those things and made more money so all the other guys figured they could too if they just copied that. Now all of us have to deal with the reduced functionality and options.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Yeah, incredibly minor. My phone has all the features that have subsequently been removed from newer models and is still only 6mm thick. I have a case on it and it’s still fine. But regardless. If people want thinner phones without that stuff, fine, make them. What we are bitching about is that there are NO options with the functions we want and practically everything has the same minuscule feature set these days. We want a variety of choices.
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Of course, I personally think the biggest failure of Android is the apple-ifying of the phone design. There are exceptions, but it feels like every flagship is trying to just make an android flavored iPhone.
sibachian@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
it’s like modern chat clients. can’t do even 10% of the stuff a chat client could do 20 years ago and yet here we are. everyone on their fb messenger, and literal businesses refusing support tickets sent outside of metas platform.