Yeah, because it’s a really fucking stupid point to make. I didn’t choose to be born in America and I’m forced to pay taxes. It’s blaming every day citizens for their government’s actions regardless of the citizen’s actions or votes.
I’m also American. yes we are to blame for the actions of our country because our country was founded on the principle that we would get a say in what it does no matter what. We even have a hierarchy of rights to protect our ability to take responsibility for our country’s actions. From our right to free speech that protects our ability to protest, to our right to vote which protects our right to choose (in theory), to our right to own guns which allows us to protect the first two rights (when we don’t let anyone limit 2a), to our right to be educated enough to exercise all the previous rights.
When things have gone as wrong as they have, sure there are bad actors involved but at some point we fucked up and that’s on us. There will always be bad actors and we gotta be more responsible than just letting it go saying "well I didn’t have a choice ". Our failures affect the whole world.
our country was founded on the principle that we would get a say in what it does no matter what.
Eh, there are some pretty good arguments against that being the case, but even if it were, that principle hasn’t really been in effect since before most of the people on Lemmy were even born.
I think it’s fair to say we’re responsible for improving the system if we don’t like the way it currently works. But I don’t think it’s fair to say we’re responsible for the actions of the system, if the system was stood up before we had any way to influence it.
My dude we severed ourselves from an empire over the literal phrase “no taxation without representation”. that’s what it means. and yeah, back then we only meant white people and now we only mean people with money but the tools to effect change are right here. we built them into our national identity. if you really don’t see it, I encourage you to look harder. seek communities of like-minded potential voters or capital stormers.
we’re all connected and effect the system we live in small ways that add up. you may disavow your contribution but that in itself is a decision that effects everything. our parents pretending otherwise is why it got like this. us continuing to do so is causing the next genocide.
FreeAZ@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Yeah, because it’s a really fucking stupid point to make. I didn’t choose to be born in America and I’m forced to pay taxes. It’s blaming every day citizens for their government’s actions regardless of the citizen’s actions or votes.
sad_detective_man@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
I’m also American. yes we are to blame for the actions of our country because our country was founded on the principle that we would get a say in what it does no matter what. We even have a hierarchy of rights to protect our ability to take responsibility for our country’s actions. From our right to free speech that protects our ability to protest, to our right to vote which protects our right to choose (in theory), to our right to own guns which allows us to protect the first two rights (when we don’t let anyone limit 2a), to our right to be educated enough to exercise all the previous rights.
When things have gone as wrong as they have, sure there are bad actors involved but at some point we fucked up and that’s on us. There will always be bad actors and we gotta be more responsible than just letting it go saying "well I didn’t have a choice ". Our failures affect the whole world.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Eh, there are some pretty good arguments against that being the case, but even if it were, that principle hasn’t really been in effect since before most of the people on Lemmy were even born.
I think it’s fair to say we’re responsible for improving the system if we don’t like the way it currently works. But I don’t think it’s fair to say we’re responsible for the actions of the system, if the system was stood up before we had any way to influence it.
sad_detective_man@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
My dude we severed ourselves from an empire over the literal phrase “no taxation without representation”. that’s what it means. and yeah, back then we only meant white people and now we only mean people with money but the tools to effect change are right here. we built them into our national identity. if you really don’t see it, I encourage you to look harder. seek communities of like-minded potential voters or capital stormers.
we’re all connected and effect the system we live in small ways that add up. you may disavow your contribution but that in itself is a decision that effects everything. our parents pretending otherwise is why it got like this. us continuing to do so is causing the next genocide.