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• ssupii@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t think being a basic working human of certain nationality makes you a war contributor

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  • the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well it’s true even if you don’t like knowing it.

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    • FreeAZ@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      All you’re doing is attempting to dehumanize and discredit people based on nationality. Literal MAGA mentality. No shit we pay taxes, do you not?Image

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      • the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m doing neither. This is a fucking fact. Our, yes our, tax dollars are killing people. I’m sorry you live in some delusion that thinks this isn’t true. You trying to reject truth and deny responsibility is the MAGA move here. Deal with it.

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    • Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      People feel so disempowered, don’t they? Yup. We tax payers directly fund genocide, and we should be fucking mad about it. We’re fighting a religious war, being manipulated by intelligence agencies and evangelicals. It’s bullshit, and rolling over is pathetic.

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  • MBM@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If this was about Russia, lots of people would be disagreeing with you. Especially like 3 years ago

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• BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not voluntarily.

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  • the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I didn’t say it was voluntary.

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• sad_detective_man@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  they hated that 🤣

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  • FreeAZ@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, because it’s a really fucking stupid point to make. I didn’t choose to be born in America and I’m forced to pay taxes. It’s blaming every day citizens for their government’s actions regardless of the citizen’s actions or votes.

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    • sad_detective_man@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m also American. yes we are to blame for the actions of our country because our country was founded on the principle that we would get a say in what it does no matter what. We even have a hierarchy of rights to protect our ability to take responsibility for our country’s actions. From our right to free speech that protects our ability to protest, to our right to vote which protects our right to choose (in theory), to our right to own guns which allows us to protect the first two rights (when we don’t let anyone limit 2a), to our right to be educated enough to exercise all the previous rights.

      When things have gone as wrong as they have, sure there are bad actors involved but at some point we fucked up and that’s on us. There will always be bad actors and we gotta be more responsible than just letting it go saying "well I didn’t have a choice ". Our failures affect the whole world.

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      • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        our country was founded on the principle that we would get a say in what it does no matter what.

        Eh, there are some pretty good arguments against that being the case, but even if it were, that principle hasn’t really been in effect since before most of the people on Lemmy were even born.

        I think it’s fair to say we’re responsible for improving the system if we don’t like the way it currently works. But I don’t think it’s fair to say we’re responsible for the actions of the system, if the system was stood up before we had any way to influence it.

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