Comment on Proton freezes Swiss investment over surveillance fears

• Vinstaal0@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Proton nor Tuta nor anybody else is above the law, you can read independant reports on the matter scroll.in/…/why-a-court-ban-on-encrypted-email-se… or Proton’s own post about it proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest

  But I don’t believe that their entire account was shared with the police, but if that actually did happen and you have a proper source for it I gotta think to move my mail after all, so could you please share with the class where you read this?

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  • philpo@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Tbh, it’s not the worst thing when a service does that. There are cases where it is indicated - cartels, CSAM, etc. do not deserve a safe haven. The bad part about the France issue is the fact that the Swiss court system willfully allowed a case that was not per se illegal in Switzerland and had rather controversial legal grounds in France to proceed. This is very similar to the cases where Switzerland simply ignored their own laws under pressure from the US government in terms of bank accounts 15 years earlier.

    This is rather concerning and many Swiss legal experts did not share the opinion of Proton that there was nothing Proton could have done.

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    • Vinstaal0@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Maybe Proton could have done more, but maybe not on the other hand the ISP is also wrong for supplying the name that goes with the IP. (yes I know that’s deflection, but still).

      I personally feel like we need to find a middle ground between personal privacy and being able to stop criminals/terrorists/fraud etc.

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  • RedPandaRaider@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s not about the law, but what’s right to me.

    Proton according to this post is virtue signalling. Claiming one thing, then doing the other.

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    • Vinstaal0@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It is about the law, though. Proton has always been clear about the possibility that they are required to hand over data if the Swiss government requires it: proton.me/legal/transparency

      So IDK where you are getting that they are saying one thing and doing another thing and even more important where you got that they shared ENCRYPTED data. Cause if they have the ability to even do that I have to rethink my choose since that should be impossible if Proton did it correctly and are trustworthy.

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    • Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Gonna need something a little more solid that your feelsies.

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