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• Saleh@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I am saying that people who have committed or supported crimes need to be held responsible by law.

  This has nothing to do with their religion or ethnicity. There is many Jews who want nothing to do with Israel or actively oppose its crimes. It is unfair, to lump them in with the genocidal criminals of the IDF and their supporters.

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  • TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Pretty sure they mean bc it sounds like you’re implying anyone who’s been in the IDF should be detained, and IDF service is mandatory

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    • burgerchurgarr@lemmus.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It is possible to not serve in the IDF, in apartheid Israel Jewish citizens have similar options to evade military service as in most other democratic countries. It just closes the door to lucrative army or tech jobs as having served in the IDF is prestigious and serving in the right units can be a major career boost. Hence, if you have served in the IDF, you have served in a genocidal occupation army and it is very likely that you have been at least complicit in committing war crimes.

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    • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Being a member of the idf without doing sabotage is a crime against humanity. Im human. I kinda take that shit personally.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So was Hitler Youth.

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    • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Detained until it is established that they haven’t committed any crimes. Such is the normal procedure for suspects of murder and other serious crimes.

      However there is also people who have refused service, so it is not strictly mandatory, but remains a choice.

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      • TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Over a million people would have to be detained though. How do you do that without violating human rights? Quarantine the ‘country’? Build 50 mega prisons?

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• queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Settlers and IDF members make up more than 80% of the world’s Jews?

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  • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    80 % of Jews are Zionists.

    Most anti-Zionists consider all Jews in Israel to be settlers. So you end up with half the Jews in camps.

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    • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I personally say yes! Put 80% of jews in camps! Fuck them, they lost their right to play victim.

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    • queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Okay, so we’ve gone from “80%” to “half.”

      Interesting.

      Now, consider the fact that they used “settler” and “IDF” separately. That tells me that they actually don’t believe every single Jew in Israel is a settler, and in fact they are referring specifically to the illegal settler movement that is actively and continually stealing more land as we speak.

      So. All members of the active and ongoing settler movement and IDF members. I don’t see how that’s unreasonable.

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      • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Half of Jews live in Israel. 80% of Jews worldwide are Zionists, if not more.

        Among the anti-Zionists the words settlers, occupation, Zionist have different definitions. The most extreme use these words to appeal to moderates, who then think they are in agreement.

        When Hamas speaks about settlers and occupation they mean all of Israel and all Jews living there. The naive western activist doesn’t understand that though and erroneously thinks it’s about the West Bank only. The idea of killing or pushing out the Jews/settlers/Zionists, which are used interchangeably in Arabic, and taking back their ancestors houses they still have the key to, is mainstream among Palestinians.

        A similar thing happens when Jew is replaced with Zionist by extremists. Suddenly it become far more palatable even though most Jews are Zionists, as in believe Israel should exist. Antisemites love this little trick. The use of the word Zionist has moved the meaning a lot. It’s now closer to just mean evil Jew. Which is exactly how far right antisemites have used this word for decades in terms like ZOG.

        Hamas also routinely uses the following argument: there are no Israeli civilians because they all serve in the IDF.

        I agree that soldiers who have committed war crimes and politicians who ordered crimes against humanity should be brought to justice.

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