Damn shame that CVTs are so janky because it’s the only non-manual transmission I’d consider. But reliable CVTs that don’t fake shifts are hard to come by.
The eCVT in my wife’s Ford C-Max is an absolute dream. It’s so smooth and helps the car take off much faster than my 350Z, despite having 100 less BHP. Nothing beats the feeling you get from immediate torque when you don’t have to wait for the revs to build. Problem is that it also has a 75% failure rate after 100K miles. She’s at 120K now and it’s still going strong, so she was in the lucky 25%.
What’s the reasoning behind CVTs being the only non-manual transmissions you’d consider?
They lack the nice feel of manuals and the reliability of modern automatics. Have you tried an 8HP or 9G-Tronic? Either one will last you a long time and shift so smooth during relaxed driving that you can’t tell it’s going through gears.
Because the idea of keeping the engine at the ideal rev range regardless of your speed appeals to me. Gears have powerbands, CVTs are always in the sweet spot. How can you do any better than that?
With 8 or 9 speeds, you still never really leave that ideal torque band while driving, no modern engine is so peaky that you’re off peak torque after 100 rpm. The rubber banding sounds/feels weird to me too, even though it’s not inherently bad.
Turbo cars in particular have very long flat torque curves.
Also, what IS the sweet spot? Just like on an auto, it’s software that determines what ratio to use in a CVT. Software is not infallible. Sure they test it, but at the end of the day there’s several factors to balance. There is no “ideal”.
Seriously. If you’re looking for a new car, don’t discount them. Research them. They swap the ZF 8HP into monstrous builds now because of its ability to take shit and its ability to put power into the wheels. ZF engineers managed to make it shift better, have more gears, be more fuel efficient… and at the same time, be more reliable AND contain fewer parts than their outgoing 6 speed. The 9G-tronic is just as good if not better, but only available in Mercedes and very few other cars (Nissan 400Z, Astons). I had one and it made my 2 liter 143kW diesel feel faster than my current remapped 3 liter diesel around 200ish kW.
For my next automotive mishap, I’m considering either the ZF or Aisin 8 speed mated to a V8. Haven’t tried the newer Aisin box yet, but the 6 speed in my first gen Cayenne S was the most solid part of the car lol. I’ve got two terrible ideas and one great idea lined up but since the great idea is a Lexus, it means twice the fuel consumption and less comfort than the horrible ideas. The Lexy is also available as a hybrid with CVT and more power but everyone said its the worse car despite being way more expensive than the 8 speed auto non-hybrid
Gears have powerbands, CVTs are always in the sweet spot.
Isn’t that basically true of automatics with 8+ gears, too?
My wife has a versa with a cvt. You couldn’t convince me with 10 gallons of rare whiskey that it’s ever in the sweet spot…
Yeah, that reads like someone who hasn’t experienced a nice modern automatic. ZF transmissions are magic, smooth when cruising and then shift hard like a DCT when you push them. Some even work with launch modes and they slip the clutches to eek out that extra performance
Must also be pretty hard on the tires
Can’t say I’ve noticed a difference. The tires wear at a normal rate. The traction and stability systems are very good in this car, despite it being over a decade old at this point. Wheel spin is well-controlled.
foo@feddit.uk 1 day ago
I had a Honda with a CVT and it was pretty bulletproof. Never skipped a beat.