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tyler@programming.dev 3 days agoThat’s just a dumb way to act like those scientists don’t have a will of their own. Those scientists have ethics (or a lack thereof). They have their own will. They are not forced to work on the project that has no scientific outcome. They’re either working on it because they’re bad scientists, because they’re evil, or because they think it’s cool. All of which is bad science. It’s not capitalism’s fault. It’s unethical scientists.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 3 days ago
It is 100% capitalism’s fault. Those scientists are doing a job because we live in a society that necessitates having one to meet our basic needs.
We don’t know their individual lives or circumstances that could be forcing them to take on a position, but we do know that those circumstances only exist due to the overarching system they live under.
Your take is simplistic and just assumes that they simply have to be bad people instead of understanding the complexities of systemic forces that dictate our society.
Please, for the love of God, learn to look beyond the surface of something.
tyler@programming.dev 2 days ago
absolutely not…
no. My take is that if you remove capitalism, can the bad science still occur? Is it possible at all for it to occur? Yes. Since the scientists are the ones doing the science. It’s not business doing the science, it’s not capitalists doing the science. It’s the scientists doing the science.
And they don’t have to be bad people at all. They just have to not think about the consequences of their actions. Inattentive, ignorant, unable to think more than a few minutes into the future. None of these things make them bad people. But it does make them bad scientists. And it does make the science bad.
holy shit, you’re the one not looking beyond the surface of something. Capitalism is always the boogie man for people like you. Like for fucks sake dude, scientists can be bad. Science can be bad! We literally have bad scientists in the white house right now claiming all sorts of shit that is going to get people killed! And it has nothing to do with capitalism. RFK Jr literally believes the bullshit he says, and it’s because of bad science, not because he’s being paid to say it.
Think about Jurassic Park like this: if those scientists were given those tools and told to build a park and told they weren’t going to be paid for it, but all the tools they needed would be given to them, could the park be built? Now ask the exact same question but replace scientists with “capitalist”: “if capitalists were given science tools and told to build a park and told they weren’t going to be paid for it, but all the tools they needed would be given to them, could the park be built.”
The answer is incredibly clear. Without the scientists, the park would never be built. It doesn’t matter how much money exists on the planet. It doesn’t matter if it’s capitalism, communism, anarchism, whatever-fucking-system, the park isn’t being built without the bad science. It doesn’t matter how many other employees you put on that island, the park isn’t getting built without the bad science.