Comment on How come nobody does anything about North Korea?

• SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Am I supposed to give a monolithic answer now for speaking broadly?

  Yes, because you were perfectly happy/capable of giving one before:

  We can push back against misinformation without accidentally bootlicking.

  Which while it’s good in theory it appears the phrase “accidentally bootlicking” allows for others, including a certain ‘argumentative gremlin’, to perceive that as meaning “so long as it doesn’t contradict my existing worldview”.

  Having a stronger/more rigorous definition would help you with communicating your ideas, allow you to self-check for dissonances and help me understand if there’s anything of actual substance here.

  So what’s your definition?

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  • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yes, because you were perfectly happy/capable of giving one before:

    That’s a guiding principle at best, bud.

    perfectly happy/capable
    Having a stronger/more rigorous definition would help you with communicating your ideas […]

    Cut the sass and the condescending tone.

    including a certain ‘argumentative gremlin’, to perceive that as meaning “so long as it doesn’t contradict my existing worldview”.

    And that is not my problem if I’ve already clarified but you two are too hung up on details rather than substance and running off on ridiculous tangents. You can take it or leave it and I don’t care either way. I’m done with this pedantic argument over definitions over minutia that I really dgaf about.

    So all this bull aside, and I’ll reiterate to cover my bases, my overarching point is: Don’t underplay a regime and make them seem more reasonable than they are by whitewashing history, whether intentionally or not. Sorry if you need further clarification, but I find that self-evident.

    Have a good one.

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    • SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Don’t underplay a regime and make them seem more reasonable than they are by whitewashing history

      That’s a better definition!

      But also don’t exaggerate a “regime”^1^ to make them seem more extreme than they are by whitewashing, decontextualizing, fabricating, using loaded language[1], etc.

      Propoganda often works explicitly via selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception. What your are calling “details” and “minutia” are attempts to try and push back against some of that selectivity bias.

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      • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        That’s a better definition!

        That’s the same definition I’ve been using all along. You just wanted it to be written a certain way because you listened to the other guy and got some ideas. That’s been literally my entire point and I think I’ve said it three different ways.

        But also don’t exaggerate a "regime"1

        Literally the counterpoint to what I was replying to. See? You guys are rehashing everything that has been said all along. You two think I have this other worldview different than yours or something, and you’re trying to fish me out to be the bad guy without realizing we’re talking about the same damn thing from different angles, yet agree on the core principle. Is that clear now? Am I free to go?

        What your are calling “details” and “minutia” are attempts

        …to not get bogged down in useless definitions that turn out to rehash everything that has been said already? Can we not be practical about it? Must it be a conspiracy? If you’d listened the first time, we wouldn’t be here still.

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• BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  As it comes up? Idk.

  Wooow. Amazing answer. Lol

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