Comment on Why doesn’t Apple/Samsung/Google use new tech like every other phone maker?
4am@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Ask any apple fanboy/fanatic and they will tell you, and they will be correct: Apple rarely leads the charge. They wait and they bide their time, and they watch how a technology is applied and how it works well and how it fails, and then they engineer a solution that they believe to be a smoother user experience to everyone else, and only then do they drop a new tech.
Budget phone makers are trying to stand out and captivate a much smaller market segment, so they have to go big or go home, or else no one will care.
The big guys are so big that they can actually use the market itself as market research, and the big guys are so big they can hold out until they know they have a stable, proven solution.
Didn’t they just kill that big 3d glasses after like 5 years everyone else and their dog did 3d glasses and gave up?
In Jobs time there was this perception that Apple does everything perfect. Then he dies and the perception stayed. It was never true, but now it’s so much further from truth. Charging mouse from the underside is plain stupid.
they engineer a solution that they believe to be a smoother user experience
You had me until this bit. I support my mom and the iPhone she got instead of an android. I have no idea how to use this thing, and she’s the mother of 2.5 nerds. This swishy swoopy UI is so bad it’s toxic.
But I think that’s just a young and sparkle-addicted product management team who forgets that they need to sell to their market and who believe they know better.
I’ve had the same issue every time I’ve tried helping someone with an Android phone. I kind of figured it’s because it’s not what I’m used to so it seems foreign.
I had an Android work phone for a while and I got more comfortable with it because I was using the UI regularly.
My parents switched from Android to Apple and they’ve both said they find the iPhone easier to navigate; they’re both ~70 years old.
Personally, I think that Android and Apple appeal to different personalities with different needs and that people are naturally resistant to change.
Agreed, have used both android and iOS over the years and both OSes has their pros and cons. Currently staying with iPhone because nothing beats their face ID in my opinion.
I stick with Apple because it “just works” for me and they haven’t done anything to piss me off enough to change.
:cough: AI :cough:
Yeah Apple really dropped the ball in AI. I heard an interesting take that it’s because Apple collected way less used info o er time compared to like Google (which has all the writings of man both pre and post internet, every video ever uploaded, the habits of every human user, and most of the messaging/calendars/contacts for a significant portion of the planet) va Apple who has like, App Store usage for iPhone users, photo libraries since 2009-ish, that kinda thing.
It just wasn’t enough to paint a holistic picture to train a useful model on, and this is why Apple Intelligence was a bigger flop than the Vision Pro.
that would be more believable if they didn’t release the apple vision pro.
Or the years they took biding their time before they finally implemented battery charge time estimation on ios.
Or the time biding their time refining, erm, copy and paste?
Come on!
Why does every rebuttal have to strawman me saying “Apple is perfect and get it right every time”?
I’m offering nothing more than an explanation of how they try to operate. I’m not defending them, or saying they never miss.
Copy paste has been available since iOS 3.0, launching alongside the iPhone 3GS.
I don’t know what you’re trying to say with the other two statements
three, point, oh
for copy and paste.
Not one, tuy three point oh!
Same for Windows Phone 7 when it launched. No copy and paste there either.
Cherry-picked examples are cherry-picked examples.
The trend still sticks
what trend? they made thi ipod, they made the iphone, they’ve been late, really really late, for very basic features on either. And a bunch of just plain bad stuff.
Butterfly keyboards, magic mouse, touch bar on macs, not cherry picked at all. There are tons of examples
Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Absolutely that is how it is now, but they did coin the format every modern smartphone uses today. And originally they were way ahead of the competition in almost every aspect. They were so dominant, that for years there was a shortage for every other manufacturer of components to build smartphones that could compete!
But a lot has happened since the still pretty recent emergence of the first iPhone, that absolutely revolutionized the concept of smartphones.
And the competition is absolutely cutthroat, so even major renowned labels couldn’t keep up.
Like Nokia, HTC, Ericsson that were all major brands, are now almost completely gone. Obviously the Blackberry RIM is almost gone too, and I think Microsoft is out completely now, despite they were a significant factor before iPhone, and investing billions in an attempt at a come back!
So it is quite amazing that a statement like Apple rarely takes a lead is so easily taken as a true statement, considering how different it was just a few years ago. A testament to the absolutely crazy development cycle smartphones still have.
Apple does however still lead on the SOC by a good margin.
adespoton@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I’ve been using Apple products since 1979. I’d definitely say that the statement is true; Apple rarely leads the charge. That doesn’t mean they never do, but they tend to, in most cases, wait for a trustworthy tech to come along, and then push forward with it, dragging the rest of the market along behind them. There’s always innovations and synergies, many of which wouldn’t happen naturally in the market, but the stuff they integrate is generally already well tested and proved.
Counter examples include the original Macintosh, the Newton MessagePad and kinda-sorta the iPhone. More common behavior is related to things like PowerPC/ARM, USB, Firewire/Thunderbolt, nVME, trackpads, wireless peripherals, and the like.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Apple was built on innovation, and you completely left the original product out.
Apple II, Macintosh, MacBook Air, iPod, iPhone, iPad. In software OSX was also significant, and obviously IOS that worked extremely well for both iPhone and iPad.
The M series of SOC are also way ahead of anything else. Retina display for iPhone was also a first. And finally the technologies Apple has used to completely switch the hardware architecture of major series of products.
First from Motorola to IBM Power, then from Power to x86, and finally from x86 to Arm. No other company has dared doing that, and when Microsoft tried to emulate it, AFTER Apple they did it way worse!
There is no way you can realistically say Apple is not generally an innovative company, and that they aren’t leaders. When 5 times they’ve been leading major changes within an industry. What other company did that? There are very few companies that have brought groundbreaking disruptive new products like Apple has.
I’m saying this as one who has sworn never to buy another Apple product, because I despise the Apple closed garden mentality. So I’m definitely not a fanboy.