I mean probably I should. There are a bunch of people accusing me of being dick headed and petty and they’re not completely wrong. Honestly, I just don’t feel like helping the Lemmy devs. Dessalines, at least, is totally unapologetic about being a dickhead to people he has power over. That puts me in a mindset where, mostly, I want to talk to other people about potential harm he’s in a position to do, and not really in a mindset where I want to do even a small amount of extra work on his behalf.
I’m going to tell other people that he’s in a position to take their passwords. If he wants to see that and put himself not in that position anymore? Great, I think he should. If he gets his feelings hurt because I’m not being super friendly about it? Well… okay. I’m not trying to be malicious about it or do anything other than clearly communicate the problem. But it seems like the lemmy.ml “in charge” crew in general has a lot of a mentality that’s kind of like, “Well, I’m in charge, and you’re not, so fuck what you think and fuck your rights. Ban.” (or whatever). The way I operate is that really makes me not want to be extra friendly or courteous to people. I used to have a regular donation to Lemmy development set up, I used to take it seriously the idea of getting involved in contributing to the code, and then I observed how they operate, and … like I say I’m mostly talking to the other people involved who I think should be aware of this. If the devs want to react, fix it, or get involved in the conversation, then sure, sounds good.
The fix is in the comments below, if someone else wants to contribute it and do the very small amount of work of getting it in.
It sounds like a pull request would have been much more helpful, with much less effort. But you want it fixed less than you want it publicized, so you chose this option.
In other words, you cared less about the people impacted by this problem, and more about your own opportunity to put the author(s) on blast like this.
And you care about that opportunity so much, that it’s even worth it to show this dark side of yourself publicly.
Or OP is spreading the word to get it out there. Now it’s got eyes on it thanks to OPs work.
Jesus. Some of you people just want to shit on someone for doing a good thing for no reason. Have you put in a pull request yet or are you just showing your dark side on top of being a dick to OP who did something good?
There’s been a multiyear crusade to oust .ml from the Fediverse with demands that the developers relinquish their instance servers to a third party and/or stop developing Lemmy altogether. That’s not an irrelevant context here given it is usually the same routine players.
Let’s not get carried away. Shared software systems are about more than the software. If you’re looking only at the software, and that was literally 100% of what is important here and nothing else, then yes, you’re right.
But you want it fixed less than you want it publicized
100%. Yes. Correct. I also want it fixed, but that’s completely trivial, with or without the pull request.
I think there you hit the nail on the head! Just the fact that it is in there, whether intentionally or not is something that warrants warning people about. So that in the case someone goes to set up a server, they at least know that recently there was this rather severe risk of unnecessary credential exposure, again no matter if it was intentional or not.
However, I will say that I think I would have also opened the PR, not to help the original dev necessarily, but helping those that might come to use the software later.
Regardless of all that drama, you could have spent five minutes at anytime in the last two hours writing significantly less than you have, and putting the the request in.
You could have been done doing it in-between replies. Just saying.
PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 days ago
I mean probably I should. There are a bunch of people accusing me of being dick headed and petty and they’re not completely wrong. Honestly, I just don’t feel like helping the Lemmy devs. Dessalines, at least, is totally unapologetic about being a dickhead to people he has power over. That puts me in a mindset where, mostly, I want to talk to other people about potential harm he’s in a position to do, and not really in a mindset where I want to do even a small amount of extra work on his behalf.
I’m going to tell other people that he’s in a position to take their passwords. If he wants to see that and put himself not in that position anymore? Great, I think he should. If he gets his feelings hurt because I’m not being super friendly about it? Well… okay. I’m not trying to be malicious about it or do anything other than clearly communicate the problem. But it seems like the lemmy.ml “in charge” crew in general has a lot of a mentality that’s kind of like, “Well, I’m in charge, and you’re not, so fuck what you think and fuck your rights. Ban.” (or whatever). The way I operate is that really makes me not want to be extra friendly or courteous to people. I used to have a regular donation to Lemmy development set up, I used to take it seriously the idea of getting involved in contributing to the code, and then I observed how they operate, and … like I say I’m mostly talking to the other people involved who I think should be aware of this. If the devs want to react, fix it, or get involved in the conversation, then sure, sounds good.
The fix is in the comments below, if someone else wants to contribute it and do the very small amount of work of getting it in.
percent@infosec.pub 5 days ago
It sounds like a pull request would have been much more helpful, with much less effort. But you want it fixed less than you want it publicized, so you chose this option.
In other words, you cared less about the people impacted by this problem, and more about your own opportunity to put the author(s) on blast like this.
And you care about that opportunity so much, that it’s even worth it to show this dark side of yourself publicly.
Am I understanding that right?
BassTurd@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Or OP is spreading the word to get it out there. Now it’s got eyes on it thanks to OPs work.
Jesus. Some of you people just want to shit on someone for doing a good thing for no reason. Have you put in a pull request yet or are you just showing your dark side on top of being a dick to OP who did something good?
PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 days ago
One of the .ml users down below volunteered to put in the PR later tonight if no one else has, so it sounds like both bases are covered now.
percent@infosec.pub 5 days ago
They could have done both.
If it’s not fixed by Monday, I will consider starting the approval process from the legal department that requires it from me.
I wish I had the freedom to just open a PR anywhere anytime, but I don’t.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
There’s been a multiyear crusade to oust .ml from the Fediverse with demands that the developers relinquish their instance servers to a third party and/or stop developing Lemmy altogether. That’s not an irrelevant context here given it is usually the same routine players.
PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 days ago
Let’s not get carried away. Shared software systems are about more than the software. If you’re looking only at the software, and that was literally 100% of what is important here and nothing else, then yes, you’re right.
100%. Yes. Correct. I also want it fixed, but that’s completely trivial, with or without the pull request.
irishPotato@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
I think there you hit the nail on the head! Just the fact that it is in there, whether intentionally or not is something that warrants warning people about. So that in the case someone goes to set up a server, they at least know that recently there was this rather severe risk of unnecessary credential exposure, again no matter if it was intentional or not.
However, I will say that I think I would have also opened the PR, not to help the original dev necessarily, but helping those that might come to use the software later.
percent@infosec.pub 5 days ago
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Right…
TachyonTele@piefed.social 5 days ago
Regardless of all that drama, you could have spent five minutes at anytime in the last two hours writing significantly less than you have, and putting the the request in.
You could have been done doing it in-between replies. Just saying.
BassTurd@lemmy.world 5 days ago
You could do it to. Be the change you want to see, or be a dick. Your choice I guess.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 5 days ago
No i have no idea how to do anything like that. OP does.