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• Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I have not found it hard at all to just ignore the .ml devs and people in general. Why is this such an issue for literally anyone?

  I am Ukrainian. I hope the lemmy devs and all tankies get to experience russian genocidal imperialism firsthand.

  Do you why this is “literally” an issue?

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  • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think you have misunderstood something. I do not agree with .ml people(tankies and such). And the issue is whether or not a person can just ignore their rantings and simply enjoy Lemmy.world

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    • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You most definitely can.

      But that doesn’t change the fact Lemmy’s devs are a bunch of degenerate tankies.

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      • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not all instances of Lemmy are run by tankies. Many are run by just Linux enthusiasts.

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• OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  For one thing if you Google search (we are talking mainstream normies here) for Lemmy, it pulls up Lemmy.ml as the first hit to an instance. And then that in turn, to an anonymous guest without an account, it shows posts solely from Local, rather than All. So a visitor does not see the part of the Threadiverse that is ignoring the tankies, they see the tankie home environment in full glory. There they talk about such things as beheading people who have bank accounts. Mainstream normies nope out fairly quickly... and then get mad at me for even having mentioned "Lemmy" to them in the first place.

  It is easy for us who know how to ignore the propaganda, but we do quickly forget - I did for sure - just what kind of place this is, as in how it appears to others who have not put in the time we have to so heavily curate our experiences.

  I am saying that we are a Nazi bar: we allow it, even while we ignore it, but it makes others uncomfortable so they leave.

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  • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There must be something messed up with your Google search cause googling Lemmy gets me Motorhead first and then either lemmy.org or lemmy.world plus some wikipedia explainers, I don’t even see a link to lemmy.ml even after 2 pages of results.

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    • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      INTERESTING! Indeed I was relating a story from the past, although occasionally I kept confirming that it remained true, and today is the first day that I see that it is no longer. Like on page 1 I see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmy_(social_network), then several pages later (on mobile) I see lemmy.world, but no lemmy.ml up top, anymore.

      Thank you for telling me - I'll stop telling this story or else make sure that I say that it describes the past rather than present.

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• Syrc@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Some users don’t want to support a project that’s being developed by people they don’t like.

  It’s kind of how some people left Reddit because of Spez, even though the amount of money Lemmy devs make doesn’t remotely compare, and the risk of enshittification/imposition of views is minimal due to the whole project being open source.

  I personally don’t see it as a huge issue, but I can relate (and I’d definitely see it differently if I was actively supporting the platform through donations).

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  • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I would argue that their authoritarian preferences get baked right into the codebase: e.g. there is a modlog but no notification of a moderation event, no modmail to contest or at least discuss such an event, no ability to DM or even be aware of which moderator performed the action (it used to say the mod name, but now it merely says "mod"), and deleted or removed posts disappear as if they never existed, ironically with the message to check back in later, as if it might come back but of course it never will.

    The "rights" of someone being moderated are either to spin up their own instance or to not and just suck it up and take it, or else leave Lemmy entirely. Unsurprisingly, we see people leaving Lemmy in droves (and some, such as those who went back to Reddit, we don't see so clearly, only being able to read their complaints about Lemmy if we go to Reddit to do so).

    And yes the codebase is open, but it's also complex and written in Rust. It is just easier to write an entirely new application of the ActivityPub protocol in a more comfortable language than to work with the Lemmy codebase, people such as the developers of Kbin, now Mbin, Sublinks, and PieFed seem to feel. And now these have a chance to do differently.:-)

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    • Syrc@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Eh, just the fact that a modlog exists (and that you can effectively see which moderator performed the action through filtering by moderator) is something I’ve never seen in any other online platform, the lack of a notification could not even be intentional (there’s even an open issue in GitHub by dessalines himself).

      I’m glad the PieFed devs put the matter in their own hands since, as I said, it’s not a huge issue for me but I can understand why it would be for others.

      (As in, I can understand why people would move to PieFed, Mbin, or any other fediverse alternative. I’m seriously confused at people who don’t like Lemmy for being too authoritarian-adjacent and move back to freaking Reddit)

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      • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        is something I’ve never seen in any other online platform

        It’s not that common, but I’ve seen it in other forums. One example would be Somethingawful, it even has a comedic bent to it.

        I am assuming the modlog concept for lemmy was taken from SA.

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      • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Lemmy offers a great deal of freedom - to an instance admin, and to a lesser but still high degree a moderator (e.g. their decisions are immediate, final, and unquestioned unless overturned by a higher authority) - though a lot less to an end-user. Reddit offers things like the modmail, notifications of events, and I can only guess that people are not aware of the level of censorship that has become more common lately. Meh, but if that's how they want things, then perhaps we here would prefer that they remain over there as well:-P.

        As in, perhaps they simply prefer the gilded cage to the level of effort required here to be truly free.

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    • MrKaplan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      no notification of a moderation event

      lemmy.world has notifications for local users or users in local communities for removed content.

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      • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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