Comment on community for lgbtq+ christians or those learning about christianity
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 days agoWho cares.
I’m pointing out that any definition includes believing in the Bible, as it’s a core tenet in Christianity.
I’m not here to tell you what to believe. I’m just saying my personal belief is that anyone claiming to be Christian (other monotheist) while not even having read the scripture is a hypocrite who’s only doing it out of social pressure.
rglullis@communick.news 5 days ago
“Believing in the Bible” does not imply “being forced to accept that everything must be taken literally even when stretched to its extreme logical conclusions”.
To be accepted into the Church, you need to accept Jesus and renounce your sins. No one was asked to read the whole Bible and accept it as some Terms and Conditions.
And I’m saying that arguing over the validity of “claims to be Christian” is irrelevant to anyone but fundamentalists.
Social pressure from which side? Taking this thread as a sample, it seems that the only ones that care about “claims of being Christian” are the extremists.
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 days ago
This is what I meant with the part about how you could change your religion in the conversation to be literally whatever and the conversation would still be exactly the same. So clearly you don’t even know the tenets or sacraments or anything about Christianity, so why would you identify as one?
We don’t know each other in any social context. Me using logic here is not “social pressure”. Your grandma being pissed at you if you had to point to her what a whackadoodle you need to be to profess belief in the Bible is social pressure.
Did I mock my grandma for her religion or criticise Christianity to her? Of course fucking not, I loved her. But this is a literal thread asking about religion, and I’m pointing out the hypocrisy, which I think isn’t wrong for this thread.
I’m asking pretty simple questions and not saying what people should do or believe in.
rglullis@communick.news 5 days ago
Really? As an exercise, imagine you are a gay man and you went to talk about it with a priest. Now imagine the same gay man going to talk about it with an Imam. How do you think these conversations would go?
Take your best shot, give both of them the most charitable/noble representation of their respective values. Do you really think that we would get the same outcomes?
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Both would work quite well in Finland.
In Iran or the US, theocracies, they wouldn’t work either.
You know that monotheism is exclusive and hates differences. Yet you’re too fucking scared to call them out on what they are, because the Mary-Sues and Josephs at your local bible-camp wouldn’t like it.
Monotheism is absolute cancer which hates everything different.
Anyone who’s read basics of history and theology knows that
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Back in polytheistic societies like Norway and Greece etc, people were far more progressive than comparative monotheist societies.
Yet you defending Christianity. It’s ridiculous. You don’t know anything and you don’t follow any tenets. So you don’t actually believe in the 10 commandments. Who the fuck does?
Yet you’re too scared to call it the BS it is. You can still enjoy community without claiming to be a Christian. Perhaps in America you can’t…?
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 days ago
And if you say you have a belief system, but then that belief system doesn’t have any tenets, any scripture, and the scripture it has means nothing or that you actually haven’t even read the scripture that you claim to believe in “non-literally”, you don’t actually have a belief system.
Jesus, you really don’t know jack shit of the religion you claim to believe in. Yes, there very much is a "read thr while Bible and confirm your Faith.
It’s literally called a confirmation.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation
Now the practice in the modern world isn’t as common, because it’s easier to just default to “you accepted the T&C with your Baptism”, but it is still a literal SACRAMENT in the religion. (I don’t believe you could list other sacraments, or even the meaning of the word.)
I have had a confirmation. You literally spend a week reading the Bible, after which you get confirmed. No, you can’t fail, it’s not a test, but it does show you how ridiculous the Bible is and it’s just a fun thing for teenagers to do and you get loads of money as presents from family members.
You don’t seem to know anything about Christianity, you don’t seem to have any rules set by it, you don’t seem to be able to say you believe in any specific bit in it, yet you claim that you definitely are.
And I’m just asking WHY?
You could just as well claim you’re some other religion, like Buddhism, and then just pretend your beliefs come from that. As of now in this conversation, changing your religion wouldn’t change the conversation a single bit. That’s how little Christianity matters to you, but you since there’s social pressure, you won’t accept any of this.
rglullis@communick.news 5 days ago
Okay. I’ll grant you that. I don’t particularly care about the “belief system”. I don’t particularly care about doctrine. I don’t believe that the Earth is 6000 years old and I don’t live my life thinking of where I will end up once I’m gone. If this is your only idea of “being Christian”, then I’m certainly not it.
Because of the community that comes with it. Because of the culture that is developed around it. Because it is the foundation of the Western World. Because most of the people/cultures that I’ve seen trying to reject those values have lost themselves to something worse. Because other religions seems to treat this world as a mere passage way, and Judeo-Christian cultures are also concerned about working to leave this place better than what was found.
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Dude I’ve literally shown you how much more I know and understand about Christianity than you do. You know that you didn’t know what a confirmation is, much less being able to name ALL the sacrament. Hell, you probably even wouldn’t be able to define the word without googling.
I can list all the sacrament, because I’ve studied the Bible and Christianity, as a former Christian who was brought up in Christianity.
But you don’t even admit to your ignorance about your own faith, when said ignorance is literally the point of this conversation.
Yeah, just like I said, hypocritical believers who are just too scared to admit the ONLY REASON they’re identifying as Christians is LITERALLY that others wouldn’t accept them not identifying as a Christian.
That’s exactly my point.
However in more secular countries, you can. You don’t need to be a part of the church to engage in social activities and people don’t socially hang you out to dry if you acknowledge what ridiculous contradictory bullshit the Bible is.
WRONG. Propaganda, bullshit and utterly fucking wrong.
Monotheism is a destructive and hateful. It’s indoctrination, and make people worse than they would be without monotheism. Without monotheism, we would already have our gay luxury space communism.
I know more about Christianity than you do, you’re just scared to accept Criticism_of_monotheism.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_monotheism