Comment on community for lgbtq+ christians or those learning about christianity

• Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Who cares.

  I’m pointing out that any definition includes believing in the Bible, as it’s a core tenet in Christianity.

  I’m not here to tell you what to believe. I’m just saying my personal belief is that anyone claiming to be Christian (other monotheist) while not even having read the scripture is a hypocrite who’s only doing it out of social pressure.

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  • rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    believing in the Bible

    “Believing in the Bible” does not imply “being forced to accept that everything must be taken literally even when stretched to its extreme logical conclusions”.

    To be accepted into the Church, you need to accept Jesus and renounce your sins. No one was asked to read the whole Bible and accept it as some Terms and Conditions.

    claiming to be Christian while not even having read the scripture is a hypocrite

    And I’m saying that arguing over the validity of “claims to be Christian” is irrelevant to anyone but fundamentalists.

    who’s only doing it out of social pressure.

    Social pressure from which side? Taking this thread as a sample, it seems that the only ones that care about “claims of being Christian” are the extremists.

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    • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And I’m saying that arguing over the validity of “claims to be Christian” is irrelevant to anyone but fundamentalists.

      This is what I meant with the part about how you could change your religion in the conversation to be literally whatever and the conversation would still be exactly the same. So clearly you don’t even know the tenets or sacraments or anything about Christianity, so why would you identify as one?

      Social pressure from which side? Taking this thread as a sample, it seems that the only ones that care about “claims of being Christian” are the extremists.

      We don’t know each other in any social context. Me using logic here is not “social pressure”. Your grandma being pissed at you if you had to point to her what a whackadoodle you need to be to profess belief in the Bible is social pressure.

      Did I mock my grandma for her religion or criticise Christianity to her? Of course fucking not, I loved her. But this is a literal thread asking about religion, and I’m pointing out the hypocrisy, which I think isn’t wrong for this thread.

      I’m asking pretty simple questions and not saying what people should do or believe in.

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      • rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is what I meant with the part about how you could change your religion in the conversation to be literally whatever and the conversation would still be exactly the same.

        Really? As an exercise, imagine you are a gay man and you went to talk about it with a priest. Now imagine the same gay man going to talk about it with an Imam. How do you think these conversations would go?

        Take your best shot, give both of them the most charitable/noble representation of their respective values. Do you really think that we would get the same outcomes?

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    • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      that everything must be taken literally

      And if you say you have a belief system, but then that belief system doesn’t have any tenets, any scripture, and the scripture it has means nothing or that you actually haven’t even read the scripture that you claim to believe in “non-literally”, you don’t actually have a belief system.

      To be accepted into the Church, you need to accept Jesus and renounce your sins. No one was asked to read the whole Bible and accept it as some Terms and Conditions.

      Jesus, you really don’t know jack shit of the religion you claim to believe in. Yes, there very much is a "read thr while Bible and confirm your Faith.

      It’s literally called a confirmation.

      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation

      Now the practice in the modern world isn’t as common, because it’s easier to just default to “you accepted the T&C with your Baptism”, but it is still a literal SACRAMENT in the religion. (I don’t believe you could list other sacraments, or even the meaning of the word.)

      I have had a confirmation. You literally spend a week reading the Bible, after which you get confirmed. No, you can’t fail, it’s not a test, but it does show you how ridiculous the Bible is and it’s just a fun thing for teenagers to do and you get loads of money as presents from family members.

      You don’t seem to know anything about Christianity, you don’t seem to have any rules set by it, you don’t seem to be able to say you believe in any specific bit in it, yet you claim that you definitely are.

      And I’m just asking WHY?

      You could just as well claim you’re some other religion, like Buddhism, and then just pretend your beliefs come from that. As of now in this conversation, changing your religion wouldn’t change the conversation a single bit. That’s how little Christianity matters to you, but you since there’s social pressure, you won’t accept any of this.

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      • rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        you don’t actually have a belief system.

        Okay. I’ll grant you that. I don’t particularly care about the “belief system”. I don’t particularly care about doctrine. I don’t believe that the Earth is 6000 years old and I don’t live my life thinking of where I will end up once I’m gone. If this is your only idea of “being Christian”, then I’m certainly not it.

        And I’m just asking WHY?

        Because of the community that comes with it. Because of the culture that is developed around it. Because it is the foundation of the Western World. Because most of the people/cultures that I’ve seen trying to reject those values have lost themselves to something worse. Because other religions seems to treat this world as a mere passage way, and Judeo-Christian cultures are also concerned about working to leave this place better than what was found.

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