I will be posting some things, as well as others. This is a completely new process that no one has tried before. Anyone can post anything they have on their minds about current events. This is a way for you to say whatever is on your mind with out it being an echo chamber. We need dialogue, society needs to start having meaningful conversations again without fear of retribution. We used to do this all the time, when the lockdowns happened its like we forgot what it was like having meaningful conversations without the hate and vitirol.
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hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 months ago
So. Are you going to post something or is it just a place holder?
Efwis@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 months ago
I'm pretty sure something like that has been tried before. I can't remember the details, but we had some peer to peer platforms and other forums trying to establish full free speech with no censorship. And turns out they're quickly crowded by trolls, nazis and generally angry and hateful people who feel they're censored and they're looking for people who side with then online. And then we have things like 4chan or 8chan. Or platforms who claim to be free speech, but they're just far-right. Like Gab, Parler and so on.
I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for. If you want something that's not an echo chamber and meaningful conversations, you're looking at heavy content moderation, and enforcing those rules. If you don't want hate, you need to crack down on it.
So I don't see how that's substantially different from what we do here. But I didn't really understand what you have in mind and what kind of tech you're planning to use. I wish you good luck though. Meaningful conversations would be great.
Efwis@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
May I DM you to answer the last two paragraphs on your post.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 months ago
Sure. I mean we seem to be a bit different and have different visions. So I'm not sure if I'm the correct person to take your idea to pieces and add my spin on it... That could take away from a clear vision and turn it into a mess. Maybe it's better if I do my thing and you do yours... But I'm not sure about that. My DMs are open, so feel free to DM me. I'm just not sure whether I'm able to contribute.
Efwis@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I forgot to mention, we were and still are discussing setting up a lemmy instance of our own for this, though currently I need to talk to our hosting provider to allow this to be set up. In the mean time we are using a forum for the purpose.
Efwis@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Well co siderite g the founder has been looking at this for over 40 years and it still has not ever been accomplished, if find that hard to believe it has been tried before.
They can look all they want, doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. We are aware of the echo chamber possibility, and we are planning to put measures in to help mitigate that, which is still being worked on currently.
We will also be moderating the process to reduce the hate and vitriol. We want civil discussions, if you can have a civil discussion without hatred there will be less problems on that. And yes I know there are people who thrive on hatred, especially in politics.
Hate speech, doxxing, csam and such will be moderated, the hate speech will be watched closely. The other offenses are auto-ban completely.
We have to draw a line at what is acceptable and what is definitely illegal or direct threats of harm to individuals.
One way we are mitigating the echo chamber is we request that you show reliable links to sources to back your claim.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 months ago
Thanks for the explanation. Yes, looks like the combination you have in mind might not have been tried before. We had free speech forums. Which mainly failed to achieve their goal of becoming a marketplace of ideas. And we have several platforms for public participation. To collectively collect ideas and vote on them in a democratic process. (citizenos.com adhocracy.plus consuldemocracy.org and likely several others) I think those address NGOs, municipalities, government...
They're not exactly the same scope you seem to have, though.
Efwis@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
no its not just a place holder. I’m actually doing a little research on a topic in my mind so that I have my facts straight. One thing we do rely on is facts and sources of those facts, preferably more than once source, so that others can go and check the source themselves to make their own opinions about it.