Comment on We need to stop pretending AI is intelligent

benni@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• innermachine@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So couldn’t we say LLM’s aren’t really AI? Cuz that’s what I’ve seen to come to terms with.

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  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    To be fair, the term “AI” has always been used in an extremely vague way.

    NPCs in video games, chess computers, or other such tech are not sentient and do not have general intelligence, yet we’ve been referring to those as “AI” for decades without anybody taking an issue with it.

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    • MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t think the term AI has been used in a vague way, it’s that there’s a huge disconnect between how the technical fields use it vs general populace and marketing groups heavily abuse that disconnect.

      Artificial has two meanings/use cases. One is to indicate something is fake (video game NPC, chess bots, vegan cheese). The end product looks close enough to the real thing that for its intended use case it works well enough. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, treat it like a duck even though we all know it’s a bunny with a costume on. LLMs on a technical level fit this definition.

      The other definition is man made. Artificial diamonds are a great example of this, they’re still diamonds at the end of the day, they have all the same chemical makeups, same chemical and physical properties. The only difference is they came from a laboratory made my adult workers vs child slave labor.

      My pet theory is science fiction got the general populace to think of artificial intelligence to be using the “man-made” definition instead of the “fake” definition that these companies are using. In the past the subtle nuance never caused a problem so we all just kinda ignored it

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      • elbarto777@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Dafuq? Artificial always means man-made.

        Nature also makes fake stuff. For example, fish that have an appendix that looks like a worm, to attract prey. It’s a fake worm. Is it “artificial”? Nope. Not man made.

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    • benni@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s true that the word has always been used loosely, but there was no issue with it because nobody believed what was called AI to have actual intelligence. Now this is no longer the case, and so it becomes important to be more clear with our words.

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      • amelia@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What is “actual intelligence” then?

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    • skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve heard it said that the difference between Machine Learning and AI, is that if you can explain how the algorithm got its answer it’s ML, and if you can’t then it’s AI.

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  • herrvogel@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    LLMs are one of the approximately one metric crap ton of different technologies that fall under the rather broad umbrella of the field of study that is called AI. The definition for what is and isn’t AI can be pretty vague, but I would argue that LLMs are definitely AI because they exist with the express purpose of imitating human behavior.

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    • elbarto777@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Huh? Since when an AI’s purpose is to “imitate human behavior”? AI is about solving problems.

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      • herrvogel@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It is and it isn’t. Again, the whole thing is super vague. Machine vision or pattern seeking algorithms do not try to imitate any human behavior, but they fall under AI.

        Let me put it this way: Things that try to imitate human behavior or intelligence are AI, but not all AI is about trying to imitate human behavior or intelligence.

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  • Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    can say whatever the fuck we want. This isn’t any kind of real issue. Think about it. If you went the rest of your life calling LLM’s turkey butt fuck sandwhichs, what changes? This article is just shit and people looking to be outraged over something that other articles told them to be outraged about. This is all pure fucking modern yellow journalism. I hope turkey butt sandwiches replace every journalist. I’m so done with their crap

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  • Aliktren@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Llms are really good relational databases, not an intelligence, imo

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• undeffeined@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I make the point to allways refer to it as LLM exactly to make the point that it’s not an Inteligence.

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