There is no such thing as “true capitalism”. The perfect company sells no product, pays no tax’s, and employees no one, yet continues to make money anyway. These greasy fucks don’t want to be competitive in the market, they just want money. And will use gov forces to crush it if possible.
Capitalists advocate against Government intervention in the markets. To a capitalist the only laws that should exist are those that protect people, property, and assets allowing for free and open trade amongst individuals and corporations.
Capitalism is an Economic structure, Fascism is a Political ideology. Fascism does not benefit a Capitalist because it imposes heavy regulation on the free market to benefit themselves which is anti Capitalist.
Capitalists lose under both Socialism and Fascism. Neither Political structure benefits a pure Capitalist because both systems impose heavy regulation on the free market which is anti Capitalist.
Capitalism and Fascism do not work together. Capitalism and Socialism do not work together.
The prior because Fascists impose heavy regulation on the markets to benefit themselves, and the latter because Socialism is a Socioeconomic ideology which replaces the need for Capitalism within it.
Hitler came to power with the support of capitalists (here meaning “people who own substantial capital” rather than “ideological supporters of capitalism”). They saw him as a way to maintain order against socialism and to break the power of unions. A similar story happened in Italy, and in other fascist countries.
Many capitalists did in fact benefit from fascism. There’s some confusion about fascist economic policies, but you should know that the term “privatization” was first coined to describe the economic policy of Nazi Germany. When they nationalized companies, it was because they were minority owned, and often they were redistributed upwards to the capitalists.
Labor rights suffered tremendously under fascism, with labor organizations exterminated, allowing capitalists to impose much worse conditions, lower pay, and longer hours on the workers, as well as using prisoners for slave labor. Any attempt to challenge these conditions would be considered treasonous, undermining the war effort.
Even when their countries were defeated militarily, many capitalists got off scot-free. For example, the pharmaceutical company Bayer (which merged with Monsanto) was once a part of IG Farben, which manufactured Zyklon B for the gas chambers. After the war, Bayer rehired Nazis to high level positions, including for example Fritz ter Meer, who had been on IG Farben’s board of directors and became chairman of Bayer, despite being a convicted Nazi war criminal.
stormeuh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re right, it’s also about the capitalists who put them in power.
Arkouda@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Capitalists don’t really benefit under Fascism, so I don’t see why a true Capitalist would support a fascist and help them gain power.
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There is no such thing as “true capitalism”. The perfect company sells no product, pays no tax’s, and employees no one, yet continues to make money anyway. These greasy fucks don’t want to be competitive in the market, they just want money. And will use gov forces to crush it if possible.
Arkouda@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Capitalists advocate against Government intervention in the markets. To a capitalist the only laws that should exist are those that protect people, property, and assets allowing for free and open trade amongst individuals and corporations.
njm1314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not only do capitalists benefit from capitalism, as history has consistently shown, but fascism is the end result of capitalism.
Arkouda@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Capitalism is an Economic structure, Fascism is a Political ideology. Fascism does not benefit a Capitalist because it imposes heavy regulation on the free market to benefit themselves which is anti Capitalist.
stormeuh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah but the choice is between socialism and fascism, and capitalists stand to lose a lot under socialism.
Arkouda@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Capitalists lose under both Socialism and Fascism. Neither Political structure benefits a pure Capitalist because both systems impose heavy regulation on the free market which is anti Capitalist.
Capitalism and Fascism do not work together. Capitalism and Socialism do not work together.
The prior because Fascists impose heavy regulation on the markets to benefit themselves, and the latter because Socialism is a Socioeconomic ideology which replaces the need for Capitalism within it.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Historically, you’re completely wrong.
Hitler came to power with the support of capitalists (here meaning “people who own substantial capital” rather than “ideological supporters of capitalism”). They saw him as a way to maintain order against socialism and to break the power of unions. A similar story happened in Italy, and in other fascist countries.
Many capitalists did in fact benefit from fascism. There’s some confusion about fascist economic policies, but you should know that the term “privatization” was first coined to describe the economic policy of Nazi Germany. When they nationalized companies, it was because they were minority owned, and often they were redistributed upwards to the capitalists.
Labor rights suffered tremendously under fascism, with labor organizations exterminated, allowing capitalists to impose much worse conditions, lower pay, and longer hours on the workers, as well as using prisoners for slave labor. Any attempt to challenge these conditions would be considered treasonous, undermining the war effort.
Even when their countries were defeated militarily, many capitalists got off scot-free. For example, the pharmaceutical company Bayer (which merged with Monsanto) was once a part of IG Farben, which manufactured Zyklon B for the gas chambers. After the war, Bayer rehired Nazis to high level positions, including for example Fritz ter Meer, who had been on IG Farben’s board of directors and became chairman of Bayer, despite being a convicted Nazi war criminal.