Comment on Bluesky is more open than you think.

Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Define decentralised.
  As per RFC 9518: Centralization, Decentralization, and Internet Standards,

  […] “centralization” is the state of affairs where a single entity or a small group of them can observe, capture, control, or extract rent from the operation or use of an Internet function exclusively.

  [Decentralization is when] “complete reliance upon a single point is not always required” (citing Baran, 1964)

  […] federation, i.e., designing a function in a way that uses independent instances that maintain connectivity and interoperability to provide a single cohesive service.

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  • Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Top Provider User Share: bsky.social ≈ 99% → Score: 0/30 Top Provider Content Share: Nearly all content on bsky.social → Score: 0/30 Self-Hosting: Server: PDS hosting possible but very niche and poorly documented → Score: 4/20 Self-Hosting: Client: Mostly official client; some 3rd party → Score: 10/20

    Total: 14/100

    Interesting score

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    • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The scoring system isn't perfect, and is subjective, but it's a good starting point to try and measure if something is decentralised.

      I forsee a lot of big companies pretending to be Open-Source and decentralised because it's good for profits. Just like they pretend to care about Gay rights etc. When it suites them

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I like the wiki definition

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralization
    Decentralization or decentralisation is the process by which the activities of an organization, particularly those related to planning and decision-making, are distributed or delegated away from a central, authoritative location or group and given to smaller factions within it.

    Based on this and other definitions I've seen, Bluesky is NOT decentralised.

    I struggle to see how a platform of which 99.96% of it's users are controlled by one entity is Decentralised.

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  • grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t think “decentralised” is the word y’all are disagreeing on. Define platform. Because I think the “platform” you’re talking about is the technology underpinning Bluesky (AT Protocol), which is decentralised, and others here are talking about the Bluesky “platform” itself, which is a single, centralised implementation of AT Protocol.

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    • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I use them interchanagbly, which has proved to be a mistake.
      Kinda like how mastodon and fediverse are used interchangably.

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• irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m coming back to this,

  I think the self-hosting bit is a bit flawed, its almost entirely based on opinion.

  For example, I’d have taken a lot of points from email as its all too easy to get blacklisted for doing everything right, and setting up everything is a pain. Cory Doctorow (Author and popular blogger) got on a spam-blocklist for self-hosting his newsletter, and it was an effort for him to get himself off it. It would be impossible for an average joe to get off a blocklist.

  You can self-host old versions of reddit, I’d have given it a few points.

  Self hosting a PDS is pretty popular, but the average PDS has less users than mastodon instances.

  Its also not very poorly documented, hosting the official PDS is just running three commands: atproto.com/guides/self-hosting#preparation-for-s… . they have a docker for it as well.

  Maybe not bluesky itself, but there is lots of atproto AppViews (essentially clients) which do stuff. Would you classify frontpage.fyi as a client?

  There is clients for bluesky itself anyway, graysky, deck[.]blue, AppViewLite, the official apps, deer[.]social gander[.]social tapestry, surf, phoenix (made by the people who made ivory), skeets (real app), bluejeans, off the top of my head.

  I think the content share part doesn’t really apply to bluesky since everything is portable, so if bsky disappeared, all content would still exist and be referenceable. Unlike AP based stuff, where everything is tied to its host server.

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