Comment on Why is the manosphere on the rise? UN Women sounds the alarm over online misogyny

• chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The manosphere is one symptom of a much larger problem. Look at it in isolation and you’ll miss the big picture. Authoritarianism is on the rise globally. Loneliness is reaching epidemic proportions. Society’s traditional institutions are a distant memory. All we have remaining are loose groups of people shouting at each other as the spectre of war lurks in the background.

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    But the manosphere doesn’t need to be a symptom of those problems. That’s a choice.

    Another choice could be that men band together to identify the real problems and address those.

    For example. In the manosphere, women are considered gold diggers. Well, because of the patriarchy, men are told that it is their job to provide, and that their value is tied to how well they provide. So you have men who think it’s their job to provide money, and then are complaining when women see them as a source of money. This is stupid. Men could stop trying to be providers, and instead try being people who are interesting to talk to and nice to be around. That would solve both the golddigger problem and the loneliness problem. It would also start to address some of the capitalist problems, where people are willing to self-exploit, just to get a little more money than their neighbor.

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    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yes, it is a choice. However one of the biggest problems is that so many of the good choices are gone. I’m talking about the positive social institutions and community organizations people used to belong to. The third spaces.

      Communities have fragmented. Neighbours hate each other. Both of my neighbours hate our family. One is a childless, alcoholic husband and wife who also hate each other (they used to be nice years ago) who also hate us and give us creepy looks all the time. The other is green lawn-obsessed neighbour who hates us for the pine trees we have growing on our property and refuse to cut down (at our own expense) to suit their tastes.

      We’re a society of severely mentally ill, isolated, confused, and angry people. Our villages and communities are all gone. We’re all a bunch of islands unto ourselves.

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      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I like saying that society is a hot gas.

        It is a mass of small particles that barely interact with one another, heated up by the heat of anger and hate, floating in a large space aimlessly.

        My type of society would be a liquid, where particles are free to move but close to other particles.

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    • jollyrogue@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Indeed. Capitalism breeds this crap by focusing on competition excessively and creating an environment where it’s almost mandatory to participate. People need to be looking to exploit people at all times and that is a deflating concept for people.

      People also need to go offline. The apps have been taken over by scammers and bots. It’s time to flush again. Which is also related to capitalism.

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