Comment on What's the best way to respond to someone who says "transracial is just as valid as transgender"?

• Allero@lemmy.today ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Slavs are not a race, but ethnic group.

  Two Koreans have a baby, the baby is Korean. Indian and Japanese have a baby, and you got something wildly different from either.

  Sure, a Black person looks different from White, but within both there is so much variation that it doesn’t make much sense to group them so roughly.

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  • BombOmOm@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    doesn’t make much sense to group them so roughly

    Just as I would not generally group people by eye color, the fact remains eye color is real.

    tell them race isnt real

    This is the shit I was responding too. And rhetoric like this is painfully contrary to even elementary biology.

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    • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Where do you put children of parents of different races, then?

      And the offspring of such children?

      Many if not most people on Earth have a combined descent.

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• WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Do you know what an actual scientific attempt to define races would look like?

  Let’s say you wanted to scientifically define races. Instead of using subjective things like facial structure, you look at actual DNA and the groupings among populations. Let’s say we want to group humanity into a half dozen races, and to avoid bias, we do it based on some statistical analysis of DNA patterns.

  You know what you would end up with? The computer would spit out that there are five racial groups represented the population of Subsaharan Africa…and one racial group representing everyone else.

  The vast majority of human genetic diversity lies within Subsaharan Africa. If you tried to rationally define a list of ‘races,’ you would end up with a bunch of African racial groups and then one group for literally everyone else.

  This is what people mean when they say race isn’t real. Our culturally-defined racial groups are completely unrelated to the actual diversity and distribution of human DNA patterns.

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• wuzzlewoggle@feddit.org ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  To quote the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article on Race (human categorization):

  Modern science regards race as a social construct, an identity which is assigned based on rules made by society. While partly based on physical similarities within groups, race does not have an inherent physical or biological meaning.

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  • BombOmOm@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    race does not have an inherent physical or biological meaning

    Physical traits are passed through genes onto kids. The kids have much the same traits as the parents. Asian parents have asian kids. Why are we doing elementary biology here?

    This really isn’t the argument y’all should be latching onto.

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    • seralth@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Race is the construct ethnicity is physical. Race is basically the loose and flimsy way to over generalize ethnicity.

      It’s basically like the difference between gender and sex.

      One is based on the cultures perceptived notions of a group of people based on only physical characteristics.

      The other is based on the hard facts such as history or biology.

      It’s easy to change ones race, just go to a different part of the world with a different view of what the races are. It’s impossible to change ones ethnicity as you can’t change who your parents are or where you grew up.

      This gets into the nerdy weeds and generally the avg layman just thinks fo the two terms as the same thing. Which is where most of the problems come from

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    • wuzzlewoggle@feddit.org ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m not saying the physical traits you are talking about aren’t real. I’m saying you’re using the wrong word to describe them. Biologically there is no such thing as different human races. You are talking about ethnic groups.

      If you take two people from an African country they can be genetically closer to an European or Asian person than to each other.

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• yesman@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You conflate being Asian (a resident of a continent) with Slavic (a cultural group). So what is race? A coordinate, or a cuisine?

  Race is so unreal that you can’t even keep the lore straight in your own head.

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