I agree. There just seem to be a fairly widespread pro-censorship sentiment among Lemmy users, usually driven by the desire to block speech that could be harmful to marginalized groups - but in practice, it often extends to broadly silencing all ideas they disagree with.
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Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
I don’t see the issue. This is how it was in the early days and things were infinitely better. I’m convinced that the overly paternalistic moderation that overtook online platforms what was gave power to the alt right in the first place.
Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 6 days ago
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Hello, I was in the “good old days” of the internet. It wasn’t the “right-libertarian utopia” that right wingers like to paint it was. Sure people believed in “free speech absolutism”, usually until someone whose first “forum” was 4chan, who demanded the same kind of “freedom of speech” they had over there. Also those 4chan bastards were extremely hypocritical with their own “free speech absolutism”, as the moment they got doxxed instead of someone they disagreed with, they either backpedalled, just cried like a bitch online, or rarely literally went that they only meant the free speech for themselves. People who actually lived in those days on the interne,t and weren’t just heard about it some zoomer internet historian or someone whose first “forum” was an anonymous image board know that 4chan marked the end of the old internet, and marked the beginning of the centralization era (4chan sucked up some traffic from fan forums, similarly to what Facebook did later).
What actually is happening is that if you also peddle the right kind of economic policies for Google, you get whitelisted for hatespeech, meaning moderators are only allowed to act on your hatespeech after consultation with the higher ups. Talk about uBlockOrigin? Banned! Talk about how fascists are cruel in the comment section? Your comment is insta-deleted without explanation by the YouTube automod system. Demonize trans people? Wanna call “bad” black people n****rs? Want to talk about how all women are whores and deserve all their rights being taken away? Make sure you also bitch about taxes, how artists and other workers are “entitled”, and write odes about how we need to “move fast and break things, ask for forgiveness later”. Google will be happy to play “heel” for your “face” in case of “censorship”, so you can have the facade of a freedom warrior.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
This is revisionism of the highest degree. Everyone knows Google et al were very heavy handed at dealing with any dissent with the liberal agenda, for the lack of a better term. Facebook fired Luckey Palmer because he supported Trump! That’s how far the tech industry went to protect left wing views and for the best part of the last decade.
And no one is being allowed to say any of those words on any major social media. Hell my comment up there that says faggot would have gotten me suspended in all the major social media. So stay grounded and stop making shit up.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 days ago
More and more often I see mainstream social media platforms letting people say slurs. A few days ago I literally say the F-slur on YouTube, while you cannot say “porn”.
Old internet weren’t 4chans, kiwifarms-style doxxing forums! Just because some YouTube pseudohistorian said the old internet literally were composed of unmoderated image boards and forums, that doesn’t make that true.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
No they weren’t but they sure as fuck weren’t banning people for slurs either except the few really socially unacceptable ones. It was a good balance.
Also who’s the YouTube historian you cite? Because I was there too and I know exactly how it was. Lemmy has the right a,punt of moderation imo most of it enforced by users themselves as it should be.
Fuck your paternalistic bullshit.
chunes@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yep. I’m old enough to remember when online censorship was taboo. It’s pathetic how far we have fallen. Now the normies demand it.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Its mind boggling that these are the same people who will claim the corporations are oppressing them but in the same breath they ask for seconds. The political tribalism is so great right now that people don’t even realize how contradictory their narratives and views are I guess.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
wtf you talking about. they have been favoring right leaning everything for as long as i can remember.
kayky@thelemmy.club 4 days ago
I agree.
Scumbags want censorship to only be used against those they disagree with.
justgohomealready@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
You’re either very young, or very dumb. It is known that every low-moderation platform quickly devolves into nazism and/or child porn.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
That’s no moderation, which isn’t the same as low moderation. Meaning there’s a few red lines that will get you banned.
If people wanna say faggot, they shouldn’t be banned for life from a site. If they want to talk about how Biden is a transdimensional vampire that eats virgins, let them do so fuck it.
A simple vote and downvote system solves many of the issues with over moderation because it’s how it works in the real world. You can say any dumb shit you want at any moment and people will react positively or negatively. It’s simple and elegant and doesn’t push people into forming their own sites and communities where their dumb ass ideas won’t get challenged at all which leads to them reaching the mainstream as it is happening now.
rikudou@lemmings.world 6 days ago
Why don’t you run an experiment? Start a Lemmy instance with those ideals!
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
Most of lemmy is like that already.
kayky@thelemmy.club 4 days ago
This person is just looking for an excuse to continuing censoring those he disagrees with.
He likes the abuse of power because it suits his agendas.
He doesn’t know he’s causing more harm than good, though. And I don’t expect him to learn.