If you’re being apprehended by ICE, you’re almost certainly losing some of those no matter how you respond. I don’t know that you’ve got better chances if you fight back alone, but if people around you join in and try to unarrest you, you might have a shot at going home that evening.
If you’re the one guy being arrested, fighting against 10 agents will only get you bruises and additional charges.
If you’re one of the witnesses the chances of unarresting someone are slim and the chances of going to jail are big. I would admire anyone who’s brave enough to do it but sad truth is that there are very few people like that out there.
They aren’t agents unless they have a badge and a warrant. Failing to produce those means you are being assaulted by unknown assailants. Your freedom and life are already in danger at that point and you have a legal right to self defense.
Sure, but if I’m going to be kidnapped and sent to a black box prison to die, I don’t know if I would care much about that.
Bystanders who are obviously white and documentably citizens are in the best position to try to unarrest people, if they can. It’s not illegal to prevent a kidnapping if you can, and a group of people who don’t show a warrant or identify themselves taking someone off the street against their will is a kidnapping.
I’m aware that it requires bravery and has very serious potential consequences, but I cannot emphasize enough that just because a person is not currently the target of this type of violence, does not mean that they can stay uninvolved. I understand not wanting to do it, but it’s like not wanting to go to the doctor about a sketchy mole because you’re afraid of hospitals.
Nope. Fighting will get me killed. I ALWAYS have a knife on me. I’ll take at least two of the shit stains with me though. I know lots of places to strike where you will bleed out in less than a minute.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 weeks ago
Except your freedom, job or life.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If you’re being apprehended by ICE, you’re almost certainly losing some of those no matter how you respond. I don’t know that you’ve got better chances if you fight back alone, but if people around you join in and try to unarrest you, you might have a shot at going home that evening.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 weeks ago
If you’re the one guy being arrested, fighting against 10 agents will only get you bruises and additional charges.
If you’re one of the witnesses the chances of unarresting someone are slim and the chances of going to jail are big. I would admire anyone who’s brave enough to do it but sad truth is that there are very few people like that out there.
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
They aren’t agents unless they have a badge and a warrant. Failing to produce those means you are being assaulted by unknown assailants. Your freedom and life are already in danger at that point and you have a legal right to self defense.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Sure, but if I’m going to be kidnapped and sent to a black box prison to die, I don’t know if I would care much about that.
Bystanders who are obviously white and documentably citizens are in the best position to try to unarrest people, if they can. It’s not illegal to prevent a kidnapping if you can, and a group of people who don’t show a warrant or identify themselves taking someone off the street against their will is a kidnapping.
I’m aware that it requires bravery and has very serious potential consequences, but I cannot emphasize enough that just because a person is not currently the target of this type of violence, does not mean that they can stay uninvolved. I understand not wanting to do it, but it’s like not wanting to go to the doctor about a sketchy mole because you’re afraid of hospitals.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Nope. Fighting will get me killed. I ALWAYS have a knife on me. I’ll take at least two of the shit stains with me though. I know lots of places to strike where you will bleed out in less than a minute.
bonsai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
They’re actively taking all of those from us
alanjaow@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
At least if you assault an officer, you then get an actual court date and get to go to jail, rather than El Salvador.