What’s NL? Why Americans always write their state names in abbreviations and expect people from other parts of the world to understand?
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Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Getting school lunches is so foreign to me, but then again people here in NL just bring home made sandwiches, which are generally cheaper to make than food like in the picture.
At least in the schools I went to when the teature noticed somebody didn’t have lunch with them on a consistent basis they would ask what was wrong and give them food.
Some other kids just kept eating unhealthy food every day because the school was still selling that. Heck in my first highscool they sold candy every thursday or so. It was an interesting time.
Scavenger_Solardaddy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
NL is the ISO standard abbreviation for The Netherlands and considering our history in the world (both good and bad) I assume most people understand where it is from…
Scavenger_Solardaddy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Ok, sorry mate. As Americans always does this, I assumed you’re from USA. My mistake. Have a good rest of the day.
Mcdolan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Lmao your first hot take is hilarious though. “Why do Americans always do this shit! Oh not American, never mind, sorry for being a cunt.”
Maybe realize were all humans first?
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Fair I understand it, I run into the same issue, but tying The Netherlands is pretty annoying especially with the amount I talk about it haha and a lot of people do understand what I am talking about.
Good day to you as well
cisor@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
/s??
I read that as the Netherlands as it’s their standard, international abbreviation
viking@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
In Germany it was pretty unusual to eat in school at all, you had breakfast at home (7AM-ish), school starts at 8 and finished at 2PM latest, usually 1.15PM. We all went home for lunch afterwards, and that was that.
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yep. Our high school had a cafeteria where you could buy snacks, but none of the schools I went to ever supplied lunches as such. It’s basically the parents and kids responsibility to feed themselves. As it should be.
Maybe Dutch parents (used to be) much more responsible than those elsewhere. 🤷♂️
Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Why “as it should be?”
I don’t have or want kids, but I want ever child to grow up healtht and food secure. These are humans that can’t work for themselves and have no means to protect themselves from food insecurity, and they will be my younger coworkers, and bankers and brokers and building my roads and and and… I want them to be mentally and physically well.
I don’t understand why our society builds sidewalks and playgrounds and funds schools to teach kids how to be humans, but feeding them is a bridge too far… We already hold them captive in the middle of the day when one of the 3 meals is served anyways…
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I agree. Kids should be fed. But that’s not the school’s job. It’s to teach.
The Netherlands has a robust social system. There’s welfare for people without jobs, there’s financial assistance for raising a child, there’s food banks, etc. Etc. And plenty of help getting into these assistance programs.
Basically, there is NO reason for a parent not to be able to feed their child. Even if they have zero money, there’s help. The only thing they (or the kid) needs to do is make some sandwiches to take with them for school lunch. That’s it.
Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m glad you live somewhere where this problem isn’t even phathomable to you.
You can certainly argue that it isn’t the schools job specifically, but it would be the most practical and efficient choice. Kids are all already gathered there at the right time, facilities usually exist or can be added to buildings…
But to say “just pack a sandwich.” … I just wish I lived somewhere where that was it. That THAT was the barrier.
LePoisson@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I really like your spelling “teature” but it’s officially spelled teacher.
Because English is silly like that.
My school here in the USA we had school lunch too, it was usually pretty ok, kids also packed lunches the same as your school.
tartarin@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Same here, I brought my own lunch, sandwiches mostly, all the time I was in school as a kid a long time ago whenever I wasn’t going back home for lunch. I prepared lunches for my own kids all the time they were in school.
Punishing kids for lunch debt is evil, at least give them the right to vote if you are to play that game.
lambipapp@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
As a Swede i think your system in the Netherlands sounds so foreign. When I was in school we always had 2 hot meals to chose between and a 'salad bar’s. All paid for by the tax system. No one should ever be forced to go hungry imo.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
In NL most people don’t even eat hot lunches on a regular basis. Even at work people just bring sandwiches in most Dutch companies unless they are internationally focussed.
Nobody should go hungry, but I don’t see the appeal or need for a centralised food system. Pretty sure there is less food waste if you just give your childeren food from home.
richieadler@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Pretty bold to assume all kids have food at home.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Like I said in the original comment you didn’t read the kids who haven’t had food would generally been given food at school
shads@lemy.lol 3 weeks ago
Not American, but here in Australia there is a growing trend towards supplying some level of food at school, quite a few schools are introducing Breakfast Club to offer food before school, and a lot of schools find they can get better nutrition for students by supplying balanced options to students directly via a variety of programs.
Food and Kids can be quite complicated and my own son can be quite resistant to the idea of even having food in his school bag as his medication supresses appetite and he feels pressured if we make him something as opposed to providing shelf stable packaged foods that won’t spoil if he can’t bring himself to eat.
From what I understand of the situation in the US this is an intersectional issue where it has been identified that:
Which is intersecting with:
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
The thing is that something like sandwiches aren’t cheaper to produce in bulk and a lot of the cafeteria’s will have either a fair amount of food left over or they barely make enough for everybody to combat that.
I don’t think the food in US school is really that fresh.
No person should go hungry period, but I rather fix the reason why most go hungry than fix the solution. And I have had mandatory lunches in school and generally there is just a choice between meat, fish or vegaterian and I often find myself picking the least bad option.
volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I understand the appeal of bringing a cold lunch, but from a nutritional perspective only few sandwiches really are healthy. Most breads have little to no whole grain part (I remember that ultra fluffy bread from the Netherlands exchange, it was amazing but definitely not nutritious), and at best you can fit in two slices of tomato and cucumber and a salad leaf. The greatest part is the fillers of usually “animal protein” which contain too many saturated fats.
Don’t get me wrong, you can absolutely make a healthy sandwich with whole grain bread, homemade hummus, grated carrot, tomato, salad, cucumber, sprouts, quality cheese or seitan slices… But most people just don’t do that. Most people take light bread with butter or cream cheese and deli meats and cheese on top.
I have been at a congress a couple of years back (I work in biomedical and nutrition science) and one presentation was by someone who gave dietary advice in clinics and reviewed some common tips and guidelines of dietetics. One of them was recommending adding bread as a whole grain source. The caveat was that people would not just eat the whole grain bread (if they were even to choose whole grain instead of white or light bread to begin with), but that - even when you substitute lets say a serving of white noodles with actual whole grain bread - you don’t eat the bread alone. You put toppings on it, butter, deli meats, cheeses, which are all high calorie and not exactly healthy for you. Patients (especially the ones trying to lose weight) ended up increasing their calorie intake and their sat fat and salt intake by adding healthy bread to their diet.
I don’t want to say that a cooked, warm lunch is automatically more healthy than a sandwich - but you have many more options here and more practical ones than with sandwiches. You can add so much more vegetables to it.
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah, well, if a cheese sandwich was good enough for my grandparents and parents, it’s good enough for me.
We’re the tallest people in the world and I don’t think it’s humanly possible to be malnourished here, so maybe we’re doing something right :D
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Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
You have to get the volkoren (whole grain) bread which is actually nutritious and most Dutch people actually don’t eat it enough. And it is generally considered to be better for you than most lunches people have. Like having Spaghetti for lunch like the stereotype for Italians.
I find it to be really impractical and expensive to eat hot lunches at work. I would skip my daily walk where I eat my sandwiches and I doubt ill be able to warm it up, clean the microwave or whatever I use to heat it and eat it in the span of half an hour. Especially if everybody needs to heat their food.
Every time when I have had good hot lunches (of going outside to a restaurant etc) it would have costed me 15-25 euro excluding drinks, but yeah that is somewhere else I understand that. Another issue is that I generally do not have enough appetite to eat food in the evening.
My sandwiches aren’t the healtiest to start with because I don’t eat margarine which we tradionally put on bread (it’s not even actual butter anymore) and I generally put the same thing on it because well I am not even that much of a fan of sandwiches let alone creating them. I put deli ham on it and sandwichspread.
Maybe I should just bring some leftovers and eat them cold, could do that as well I guess.
cute_noker@feddit.dk 3 weeks ago
It is the same in Denmark…
it is way more convenient and nice to be served a hot meal every day.
But I don’t really understand why people can’t just make a sandwich from home, especially if they will get in legal trouble
volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I’m not sure you know how much a euro is worth if you think 30 euros a month is enough to feed a kid?
cute_noker@feddit.dk 3 weeks ago
Sounds like heaven! in Denmark we have to make our own rugbrød sandwich at home… Every day… From kindergarden until… Well some do it their entire life…
You can buy a hot meal in gymnasium but it is very expensive