I hate to be that guy, but that is the NCC-1701 Refit, or the NCC-1701 A , not the NCC-1701, and I demand the meme be fixed, preferably by putting the old school enterprise in it.
I am like 80% sure this would be the A but I am not fully sure
Im gonna that guy your that guy. If this is the refit it’s still the original enterprise. It’s no different to the ship of Theseus question, if anything it’s simpler than that old canard, so I’d say it’s still the same ship just upgraded.
The equivalent would be to require all pictures of some actor only be when they were young. I challenge your premise at the axiom here as it’s the same ship just upgraded at a point in time.
Gloves come off I understand you point, however the refit replaced a large section of the engineering hull, the nacells, that the only part I would call “origional” is maybe the primary saucer section hull, and the bulkheads, I would disagree that it was just upgraded, and upgrade would be from the pilot to the main series where the collectors had an upgrade. this feels much more like a new ship with extra steps.
Heh, well even by that definition I’d still say it’s the og enterprise. If we’re taking the nautical pov on things like a wooden sailing ship, they often had similar refit type work and were always the same “ship”. Example, Tally Ho rebuild on YouTube, you can argue all you want that there is barely any of the 1910 ship left, but no mariner would argue as such. The idea and spirit of the Tally Ho is alive in the rebuilt ship. She is as much the original as she is now or will be in the future.
Really it’s just a question of lineage or even idea. Much like a human with say cosmetic surgery to look like Barbie or Ken, the person is the same the bones are still there as it were. The name remains, the ship will change, or if you will the 4d path in time describes the ship through history.
CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
I hate to be that guy, but that is the NCC-1701 Refit, or the NCC-1701 A , not the NCC-1701, and I demand the meme be fixed, preferably by putting the old school enterprise in it.
I am like 80% sure this would be the A but I am not fully sure
mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org 17 hours ago
Im gonna that guy your that guy. If this is the refit it’s still the original enterprise. It’s no different to the ship of Theseus question, if anything it’s simpler than that old canard, so I’d say it’s still the same ship just upgraded.
The equivalent would be to require all pictures of some actor only be when they were young. I challenge your premise at the axiom here as it’s the same ship just upgraded at a point in time.
CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 12 hours ago
Gloves come off I understand you point, however the refit replaced a large section of the engineering hull, the nacells, that the only part I would call “origional” is maybe the primary saucer section hull, and the bulkheads, I would disagree that it was just upgraded, and upgrade would be from the pilot to the main series where the collectors had an upgrade. this feels much more like a new ship with extra steps.
mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org 8 hours ago
Heh, well even by that definition I’d still say it’s the og enterprise. If we’re taking the nautical pov on things like a wooden sailing ship, they often had similar refit type work and were always the same “ship”. Example, Tally Ho rebuild on YouTube, you can argue all you want that there is barely any of the 1910 ship left, but no mariner would argue as such. The idea and spirit of the Tally Ho is alive in the rebuilt ship. She is as much the original as she is now or will be in the future.
Really it’s just a question of lineage or even idea. Much like a human with say cosmetic surgery to look like Barbie or Ken, the person is the same the bones are still there as it were. The name remains, the ship will change, or if you will the 4d path in time describes the ship through history.
Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
I was wondering if anyone would catch that.
Lying, I didn’t notice.
CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
You know what, how about you come over, and we can watch so much star trek you can indentify what enterprise is what on sight. I can supply popcorn
Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
I was over 30 when I realized US Thanksgiving was always on a Thursday. I’m not very observant.
That being said, I’m there. What drinks shall I bring?