Comment on The solution to many problems
untorquer@lemmy.world 4 days agoAbsofuckinglutely not. Predatory behavior is inexcusable full stop.
Comment on The solution to many problems
untorquer@lemmy.world 4 days agoAbsofuckinglutely not. Predatory behavior is inexcusable full stop.
tomi000@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Thats exactly what Im saying though
untorquer@lemmy.world 4 days ago
It is voluntary. Being a creep is a learned behavior and can be unlearned. I’ll admit it’s systemic but it’s our(M/Society) responsibility to change that.
The sentence part after “but” is in direct conflict with thee first.
This should have been a separate paragraph, it’s a different idea even if in context. This still let’s predators off the hook by assuming their motivations and behavior are “natural” or “innate” in a way that can’t change. The one thing humans do well is learn. It’s one of our few evolutionary advantages. The “limits of your freedom” don’t have to include predatory behavior if you don’t identify it as part to your autonomy or self.
tomi000@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Definitely
I dont think it is. You can avoid being shot on the street by not leaving your house. The blame lies with the shooter but you could avoid it if that was your goal.
Thats not what Im saying at all and I dont think my comment made it sound like that. Im 100% convinced that predators are at fault and should be the ones being punished. Maybe my comment was unclear, Im not a native speaker.
Not sure what you mean exactly but I wasnt talking about predators’ freedom.
untorquer@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Isn’t that just the point again though? Expressing suicidal thoughts is literally reaching out for help while being fully aware of the risk. If we accept those who impose that risk then we stigmatize reaching out for help. If we tell women to dress differently to avoid the risk we tell them the creeps are valid.
Yeah probably just a wording/text forum/secondary language thing. See below.
Probably same confusion as above.
So the talking points you’re making, at least in form and not intent, parallel arguments from evangelicals and other extreme right or fascist types. After talking I know you didn’t intend anything close to those viewpoints. However, I don’t feel it would have been appropriate to leave a statement unaddressed if there was a chance of interpretation in the malignant sense.