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• tomi000@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Your example is pretty bad because it undermines their point. Womens choice of clothing doesnt excuse predators, but it still puts many in a tough situation by tempting them (not voluntarily but for them its a temptation). Which is in no way saying the women are at fault but unwanted outcomes can be avoided by their chioce. So you could live your life making sure others arent influenced in a negative way by your behavior or you could go to the limits of yoir freedom disregarding any consequences for others as long as youre on the legal side. The answer should be somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but who can say where exactly. (I mean many do pretend they know, but its obviously subjective)

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  • untorquer@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Absofuckinglutely not. Predatory behavior is inexcusable full stop.

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    • tomi000@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Thats exactly what Im saying though

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      • untorquer@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Womens choice of clothing doesnt excuse predators, but it still puts many in a tough situation by tempting them (not voluntarily but for them its a temptation).

        It is voluntary. Being a creep is a learned behavior and can be unlearned. I’ll admit it’s systemic but it’s our(M/Society) responsibility to change that.

        Which is in no way saying the women are at fault but unwanted outcomes can be avoided by their chioce.

        The sentence part after “but” is in direct conflict with thee first.

        So you could live your life making sure others arent influenced in a negative way by your behavior or you could go to the limits of yoir freedom disregarding any consequences for others as long as youre on the legal side. The answer should be somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but who can say where exactly. (I mean many do pretend they know, but its obviously subjective)

        This should have been a separate paragraph, it’s a different idea even if in context. This still let’s predators off the hook by assuming their motivations and behavior are “natural” or “innate” in a way that can’t change. The one thing humans do well is learn. It’s one of our few evolutionary advantages. The “limits of your freedom” don’t have to include predatory behavior if you don’t identify it as part to your autonomy or self.

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