“I was honestly hoping this community to care more.”
So you want us to all go destroy painting and super glue our hands to the road with you?
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utopiah@lemmy.world 4 days agoFeel free to explain the down votes.
If it wasn’t clear the my point was that self hosting addresses mostly privacy for the user but that is only one dimension addressed. It does not necessarily address the ecological impact. I was honestly hoping this community to care more.
Ascend910@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Please, do whatever you want to protect the environment you cherish. My point though was literally asking somebody who did point a better way to do it if they were aware of all the costs of their solution. If you missed it, their answer was clear : they do not know and they do not care. I was not suggesting activism, solely genuinely wondering if they actually understood the impact of the alternative they showcased. Honestly, just do whatever you can.
Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com 4 days ago
You looking for an excuse? No one else brought it up but if you need permission, go ahead. Thumbs up from me.
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 days ago
You know what, again maybe I’m misreading you.
If you do want to help, do try with me to answer the question. I did give a path to the person initially mentioning the Model Card. Maybe you are aware of that but just in cased a Model Card is basic meta-data about a model, cf huggingface.co/docs/hub/model-cards
Some of them do mention CO2 equivalent, see huggingface.co/docs/hub/model-cards-co2 so here I don’t know which model they used but maybe finding a way have CO2 equivalent for the most popular models, e.g DeepSeek, and some equivalent (they mentioned not driving a car) would help us all grasping at least some of the impact.
What do you think?
Maalus@lemmy.world 4 days ago
What’s clear is that you don’t realize how much energy AI actually uses up and you ate up propaganda that you are spreading right now. A querry that runs for 20s to generate an image on a card that uses up at most 350W/h during heavy gaming sessions isn’t magically going to doom the world. Chill out.
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I’ll assume you didn’t misread my question on purpose, I didn’t ask about inference, I asked about training.
Maalus@lemmy.world 4 days ago
How much energy was used to bring the truckload of groceries into the shop that one time so hundreds of people can use it?
utopiah@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Great point, I’so are you saying there is a certain threshold above which training is energetically useful but under which it is not, e.g. if training of a large model is used by 1 person, it is not sustainable but if 1 million people use it (assuming it’s done productively, not spam or scam) there it is fine?