Comment on ABC pulls interview with Palestine advocate from website and iview

• IncongruousMonkey@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  ah yes “stop making me hit you, just do what I say! this is all your fault!”

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  • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    And you want what? Israel to roll over and allow continuous repeats of Oct 7 (which Hamas vowed to do, on the record)?

    Here is a more mature response you could have given me: how would Israel know if all of Hamas surrendered?

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Israel to roll over and allow continuous repeats of Oct 7

      Why not? You expect Palestine to roll over and allow Israel to keep bombing it, blockading it, building illegal settlements, murdering and kidnapping it’s people, and doing everything it can get away with to ethnically cleanse it.

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      • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Do you have an example of such violence in Gaza pre Oct 7 and post settlement withdrawal in 2005?

        The blockading is because in that time Hamas and PIJ were sending missiles and suicide bombers into Israel.

        There was retaliation each time. Disproportionate because it was meant as a deterrent (obviously it failed to deter though).

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• Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Stop the whataboutism. Stop defending genocide. Nothing Hamas does or could do can defend genocide.

  But if you really want to play that game: everything Hamas does is also Israel’s fault. Israel created Hamas. They funded Hamas deliberately as a way to destabilise the Palestinians. They create oppressive conditions in which a militant organisation like Hamas is bound to thrive. Everything that Hamas does is a predictable outcome of Israel’s actions, and the ultimate blame lies squarely on them.

  But again, that’s irrelevant. Because even if Hamas’s own actions weren’t Israel’s fault, Israel’s actions obviously are. Murdering children, doctors, and journalists by the hundreds are classic fascist moves. Displacing people en mass from their homes is genocide. Collective punishment is a war crime. Deliberately starving people is a war crime. Stop defending genocide.

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  • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Senior Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri… [in an] interview, which aired on a Libyan television channel… referred with indifference to the number of Palestinians who have been killed in the Gaza war, calling this “the price we have to pay,” and remarked that the women of Gaza will compensate for the loss by “producing” more babies than those who have been killed.

    memri.org/…/gazans-furious-hamas-it-has-nothing-c…

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  • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    ProPals throw “whataboutism” when someone tries to discuss nuance as often as Zionists throw “anti-Semitism” when they are criticised.

    The two points remain unaddressed by you:

    Hamas hijack aid and are complaining now that IDF wants yo control the distribution to prevent this.

    Hamas could surrender for a swift end to the war.

    everything Hamas does is also lsrael’s fault. lsrael created Hamas. They funded Hamas deliberately as a way to destabilise the Palestinians.

    Indeed. Bibi favoured Hamas over Fatah and for cynical reasons as you point out. You are not talking to a one-eyed football mentality person. Hamas (Being right wing fascists like Likud) should have known the consequences of Oct 7 well in advance but they naively thought they could rally Arab neighbours to battle like in the past.

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    • Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Hamas hijack aid and are complaining now that IDF wants to control the distribution to prevent this.

      If the Israeli’s had shown an ounce of good faith actions throughout this whole horrible period, then maybe this demand wpuld be less critically read.

      But as it stands they havr constricted supply of food, electricity and everything else as mush as they can, restricted the water supply to, i think, one desal plant, don’t let journalists (even yarget them) in for a less bias appraisal of whats going on, continually attack the UN and International court for their calls for investigations, attack medical workers, as well as killing, through, bombs or other means, the Palestinians en-masse no matter their gender, age, or relation to their ao called enemy Hamas.

      Multiple internal syrveys of Israeli public opinion paint a putrid picture of the overall societies vision for the ongoing survival of the Palestinian people.

      And so, after all of this, the international community is supposed to trust the Israelis will act in good faith and fair dealing in their distribution of aid and resources?

      I think not.

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      • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Luckily the distribution seems to be going well though. That is a good thing, yes?

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    • Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      You’re not understanding. Theres a point when the crimes become so heinous that it doesn’t matter what justification they claim, the justification is sufficient. Israel has passed that point, a long time ago in my opinion.

      October 7th was heinous and likewise Hamas’ crimes have no justification. That doesn’t somehow ameliorate or absolve the Israelis of the crimes they’re committing.

      The difference between the two groups from an Australian perspective is, Israel is a so called liberal democratic nation and has been an erstwhile ally of Australia due to our percieved alignment in values.

      What they are doing to Palestinians is so against these ideals that it must call into question our relationship with them.

      In Hamas’ case Australia has next to no relationship with, so our reaction to their behaviour is more simple, as its a contnuation of our determinations of them as a group.

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      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        October 7th was heinous and likewise Hamas’ crimes have no justification.

        Occupied people have a right to resistance

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